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What difference will marches make?

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quiteoldad · 13/11/2023 13:27

Show me an MP who will resign from their party as a result of their party’s stance on the conflict. Whilst a few may make noises, they all know that it is the party that butters their bread.

The next general election will be about the familiar topics of the NHS, education, tax and immigration. By the next election these marches will play little or no part in the way people vote. Both Sunak and Starmer know this, hence marches will do little or nothing to change foreign policy. Apart from showing empathy with fellow human beings, on a practical level, they have so far, achieved zilch.

That’s the sad truth.
Please convince me otherwise.

Personally, I will not vote for either of the main parties from now on.

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Trulywonderful · 13/11/2023 20:24

The marches are very ineffective and won't change a thing. Israel and countries/States around the world are not going to listen to a very small minority of their population protesting. Especially when the protests are seen as unruly, vandalism is caused or police attacked.

The protest in the UK have far less people attending than people that go to the football on a Saturday. For instance Wembley holds 90k people and most London clubs 60k. Therefore the crowds you see in photos or videos are actually nothing much compared to a city like London with 9 million citizens. Plus to get that crowd protesters have been coached in from various other towns and cities. It isn't even all Londoners.

The march organisers know the government are not going to change policy or their support to Israel because of the marches. Equally they know Israel will only ceasefire when they chose too.

So why do the organisers arrange these marches. Well as we have seen in the news the organisers are an ex Hamas member, about 6 know Jew haters and Stop the war coalition. The first two I mentioned I think you can work out why they would want to put on a march to upset Jews and cause divide between the Jewish and Muslim citizens of the UK. As for the third lot you need to look at their marches about Ukraine/Russia conflict. They blamed Ukraine for Russia invading them. They also held old Soviet Union flags on their marches. That kind of says it all about their warped view of the world. Plus they love Cobyn so you can imagine how they feel about the average Jewish person in the UK or Israel.

Of course there are other organisers and some may generally what a ceasefire and peace. However the overriding evidence is that those things are not the reason for the marches. You have to remember the first protest took place on 7th October to celebrate the pogrom. Fireworks and flares were set off and antisemitism chants/shouting were filmed

stormy4319trevor · 13/11/2023 14:23

EasterIssland · 13/11/2023 14:10

I believe a few labour peopke have resigned after labours behaviour

Yes, but I think the Blairites remain!
On another note, the Braverman fiasco has shown up the way her rhetoric engages with the far right. In turn, it engages with what our media has called the 'most far right government Israel has ever known.' I think it highlights the dangers of the rise of the far right, and probably has decent conservatives very worried - that their ideas are being hijacked by fans of the Nazis. If the marches have exposed the resurgence of far right ideology, and how this influences the actions in Gaza, they have created a space for a different kind of politics - which will be more humane both here and abroad. I haven't explained this very well! But maybe it makes sense to somebody.

notsoready4school · 13/11/2023 14:22

I think it’s very possible the marches do very little. I do think though that the marches give a lot of people who are feeling the pain of this conflict deeply but cannot speak about it openly a place to go to feel solidarity and a sense that not everyone is blind to the injustices. People are seeing it even if the powers stay silent.

That feeling gives me consolation and hence I plan to go as long as they carry on and I can.

I agree when I recall the fervour and disappointment after the Iraq protest I did decide they make no difference at all.

I just don’t know what to do in the next election. I’m so sad there is no one who can speak for the right things now. Who knew fairness and equality were so elusive characteristics.

EasterIssland · 13/11/2023 14:10

I believe a few labour peopke have resigned after labours behaviour

NeverTrustAPoliceman · 13/11/2023 13:57

There is no party to vote for.

With the pro-Palestinian marches I just hope that somehow knowledge of them gets to people in Gaza. That way they might get a tiny crumb of comfort from knowing that elsewhere on this blighted star (to quote Thomas Hardy) they are not forgotten.

BeggyMitchell · 13/11/2023 13:48

I feel similarly disaffected by the fence-sitting and have to agree with you.

What has the UK turned into? There is no party worth voting for.

Surplus2requirements · 13/11/2023 13:48

The marches have caused a right wing, pro Israeli Gov and anti Palestinian senior minister to be sacked.

That's no small thing, though obviously not intended.

Edited for spelling though intented seems suitable as well

Reallifelurker · 13/11/2023 13:45

i think you’re right to say the politicians will largely ignore the protests and do what there were going to do anyway. Hadn’t it always been the way? Look at the Iraq war protest, one of the largest anti-war protest ever and it was completely ignored.

I have been at a loss as to who to vote for for a while now.

stormy4319trevor · 13/11/2023 13:37

I don't know @quiteoldad Politicians began by endorsing the full siege, stating Israel had the right to withhold essentials from the population of Gaza. After petitions and protest they shifted to talking about allowing aid and pauses. I don't know if that would have happened without the mass objections, obviously from UN and aid organisations, but also from the general public.

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