What difference will marches make?

'Looks like assorted Shadow Ministers are resigning tonight over a symbolic vote of no consequence to placate their Hamas fan clubs. We'll have a complete list of the attention seeking non-entities in the morning.'
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The wests really doesn't make much difference in all this and the future of Israel or Gaza. Apart from American and they are largely pro Israel. Though mostly because they rather incorrectly see Jews as white and Arab are not etc, so basic racism. Also the exstemists Christians believe Jews have to be in the Holy land at the end of time, this is Trump's religious beliefs. On top of that there are a lot of Jewish people in America and they are voters.

The people that could change things easily and who Israel would actually try to stay friends with and will affect the future of Israel if they reject it are middle eastern countries. However the leaders held a meeting and plan to continue the noises they make for their own Muslim percentage. However not much else. Plus the general feeling from observers is in the near future most arab states will continue to build bridges with Israel

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67417570

10 have resigned tonight.

I am going off the figures the Metropolitan police force has said. They crowd control for protests and events all the time. So way more accurate than the figures given in the press and by other organisations. The police tend to be less bias in their estimates too.

Sorry I live in London and that definitely was no where near a million people. We have had plenty of events recently with massive crowds and last weekend was not one of them. Seriously the trains were no more busy than on a football day too.

I think they are part of a bigger picture - - there are other conversations - interviews on tv, opinion articles. Podcasts - and all that is important to highlight the conflict but also the Israeli apartheid. Generally public opinion is changing and that does put pressure on the government.

I think it will become most important after this war. God only knows what will be left but I don’t think israel are going to be able to reoccupy Gaza without a very big fuss from the international community.
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Don’t go by the figures in the media. The first protest was around 150k. The second was around 300k. The 3rd one around 500k and the last one last weekend was definitely 1 million. You had to be there to realise the numbers.

What uk frontbenchers or other MPs do isn't going to affect the conflict. Especially a shadow party having issues.

What is a much more interesting read and does affect the conflict is the Arab leaders meeting

If you read it all through it sounds like they plan to continue to just make noises to appease their own Muslim percentage of population. However theyvare in fact sticking to whatever deal they had with Israel and the PA at the shaking hands meeting in the first week or so. Then if probably most will be back to rubbing shoulders with Israel in the near future.

For a BBC article it isn't actually anti Israel or Jew. Miracles happens, they have just reported the facts of the meeting with a slightly neutral commentary

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67417570

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67432393

In that case we are actually saying the same thing then. I can tick off all of what you just posted. We are just coming at it from different angles.

Straw man argument.

The march was calling for ceasefire.

70% of the UK support that call.

Many times have I supported Israel's right to defend itself.

Many times have I condemned the Hamas terrorists and the release of all hostages.

Like the vast majority of the UK none of the above is conflicting with horror at the massive suffering and death of innocents on such an unimaginable scale.

So much wrong with your post. Especially your understanding of the politic situation between different countries or peoples views on Israel before this latest conflict. Are you new to this?

Also what do you mean my State?

Because I am Jewish you see me as Israeli?

Says it all really!

Still doesn't add up to many

There are 9 million people in London. Yet they still had to bus in thousands of people from outside London

Most people really are not overly taking a side on the conflict. The majority want a ceasefire from both sides I am sure. However I think people also realise thinks are not that simple. People would also demand Hamas hand over the hostages before a ceasefire for example. A lot of factors involved and sometimes people try to simplify things to much. I believe the average person in the UK are scared of the idea of terrorism. Therefore they get why Israel may react this way. So find it hard to judge the react and support the government supporting Israel. That doesn't mean Joe blogs doesn't what a all side ceasefire though. Nobody wants to see or hear about children dieing do they.

Not the same as not supporting Israel. Of course people what everyone to stop killings each other. That is a given. Well apart from some extremist types.

The question should be do you support the need to rid the middle east of extreme Islamic groups? Or do you support Israel's need to defend itself, which is basically what most the world leaders are saying they do. Even if some are asking for a ceasefire etc.

Plus the Arab states mostly want rid of Hamas too. They have largely shown in their own killing of Palestinians that they don't actually care about them. Hence the reason why those states are mostly just making sound bits to keep there own Muslim percentage of population happy. If the Arab states wanted this to stop it would have stopped. Israel made deals and shook hands in the meeting with Arab leaders at the beginning of this. What is happening has largely been agreed amongst them all. Israel would not have set foot in Gaza on the ground if that had not been had the ok from most surrounding states. Hence why Iran keep having a paddy because the other states won't join them in a war with Israel.

you forget to add the people from other marches. Also does everyone have to march to make a march valid ?

The most extreme Nazi rhetoric I've seen in the last few weeks has not come from the right wing. The Met are currently looking for the guy in the clip below.

https://twitter.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1723475231484895485

However unpleasant we find the EDL crowd and their penchant for hooligan style street fighting this man is not one of theirs and I'm yet to see a clip with of one of them say anything quite as bold as this.

This is also not the only footage of ' the Jews' type rhetoric in public places from people who are very obviously not far right/EDL types.

There is space of course to be worried about the far right as they never go away but as shown at the weekend they are a smallish and containable presence. The police did a good job of managing and mitigating any trouble they attempted to start.

Right now the above concerns me more because I'm not seeing that the police or the government are doing a good job of dealing with the very extreme antisemitism from the far left/Islamic left. Tommy Robinson and his mob are not the main reason why Jewish families are currently afraid to leave their homes and communities.

I don't believe that Suella Braverman would have been sacked without the marches, so that's an example of the impact on UK politics OP.

Polls say 70% of the UK support a ceasefire

@Trulywonderful here we go again.

you forgot the following, do you condemn Hamas, everyone supporting Palestine supports terrorist and oh the best one, that bullet did not kill that child, hamas did, that’s the best one.

it’s very clear the public opinion is changing and many people have lost their respect for Israel. The government too have changed their stance, the ex Israeli prime minister said the same a few days ago. He said give it two / three weeks and tensions between Israel and America will come to light too.

I get it, you’re afraid. I would be too if people finally saw my country for the apartheid state it was.

Around 67 million people in the UK

Biggest Protest 300k

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There was no march on 7/10.

The first march after the Hamas terrorist attack was on the 14th Oct outside the BBC at Portland Place

But you're right, they won't change anything...

Rishi Sunak said that the UK is 100% behind Israel, the marches tell the Government and the world that actually no we're not...

Like so many other conveniently forgotten facts it seems

Yet people complain if someone calls them hate marches or questions the root reason why people have joined them

Go figure

@Trulywonderful
You have to remember the first protest took place on 7th October to celebrate the pogrom. Fireworks and flares were set off and antisemitism chants/shouting were filmed

Yes, this detail seems to be conveniently forgotten about.