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Suella sacked

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Ohlalalalala · 13/11/2023 09:02

Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has sacked the home secretary, Suella Braverman, following days of speculation over her future

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-67370421

Suella Braverman updates: Home secretary sacked as home secretary - BBC News

Suella Braverman has been sacked from her role as home secretary, following days of speculation

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-67370421

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BelleHathor · 13/11/2023 21:45

AboutYouTalk · 13/11/2023 21:20

The Met police managed the pro-Palestinian protestors perfectly fine with few officers yet had trouble managing the sheer thuggery from the far right who were small in comparison to the approximately 800,000 marchers but hell bent on causing trouble. Where is your condemnation for them? Oh and they were shouting sieg heil and displaying swastika tattoos….

This. I didn't realise how violent the thugs actually were (figured they'd be tanked up and coked up) But look at these videos, she deserved to sacked she endangered the lives of public servants:
https://x.com/johnnycamelate/status/1724043693240225959?s=20
https://x.com/johnnycamelate/status/1724098744730177615?s=20

https://x.com/johnnycamelate/status/1724043693240225959?s=20

AboutYouTalk · 13/11/2023 21:20

Livelovebehappy · 13/11/2023 14:05

Behave. You know she did not urge the Met to break the law. She criticised how the police dealt with the protests, which broke ministerial law as her statement was not signed off by the Government. She gave her opinion, which is not illegal (yet). Its fact that a thousand police on the streets cannot adequately police the actions of 100k people. If we don't have the resources to police these protests adequately, then they shouldnt take place....

The Met police managed the pro-Palestinian protestors perfectly fine with few officers yet had trouble managing the sheer thuggery from the far right who were small in comparison to the approximately 800,000 marchers but hell bent on causing trouble. Where is your condemnation for them? Oh and they were shouting sieg heil and displaying swastika tattoos….

AboutYouTalk · 13/11/2023 21:14

Livelovebehappy · 13/11/2023 13:30

Talking sense as in recognising that the police are not protecting people on our streets, by allowing the intimidation and antisemitic chants to take place on our streets every Saturday. Good on her to say what the majority think (minus MN posters of course...) Can you not even imagine how it must be for the Jewish community in London to be prisoners in their own homes because the police are not intervening? There is no confidence in their ability to protect the citizens of the UK currently.

Only the majority of the UK do not agree with Braverman or you for that matter. You have ‘the right’ to live in Israel, think about the hypocrisy of that.

UsingChangeofName · 13/11/2023 18:07

If we don't have the resources to police these protests adequately, then they shouldnt take place....

Or maybe the Political Party that have been in power for so many years, should adequately fund the police (and of course all other public services) so that they do have enough resources.......

Ohlalalalala · 13/11/2023 17:49

ohfourfoxache · 13/11/2023 15:59

Just leaving this here….

It's well known she's totally biased; that's why she wanted so vehemently to stop the protests.

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ohfourfoxache · 13/11/2023 15:59

Just leaving this here….

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Ohlalalalala · 13/11/2023 15:56

Livelovebehappy · 13/11/2023 13:21

Dissappointing news. She speaks a lot of sense. Hope her future plans include running for PM when Rishi's shitshow ends. Hopefully soon.....

She's unhinged, offensive and out of control. For a senior politician to attack the MET like she did, and try to stop a totally legal protest calling for a ceasefire, is not only irresponsible but also undignified and reckless. She had purposefully summoned the EDL to try to disturb the peaceful protests. Thank God the police succeeded in maintaining order as she would certainly have been wholly responsible for any serious injuries or God forbid deaths by those violent thugs.

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Ohlalalalala · 13/11/2023 15:40

jgw1 · 13/11/2023 13:15

Why?
We don't have even a flyweight being Prime Minister, so why would the FO need a heavyweight?

Agreed.

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jgw1 · 13/11/2023 14:12

Livelovebehappy · 13/11/2023 14:05

Behave. You know she did not urge the Met to break the law. She criticised how the police dealt with the protests, which broke ministerial law as her statement was not signed off by the Government. She gave her opinion, which is not illegal (yet). Its fact that a thousand police on the streets cannot adequately police the actions of 100k people. If we don't have the resources to police these protests adequately, then they shouldnt take place....

If Suella Braverman was worried about police resourcing perhaps she shouldnt' have been a senior member of a government that has consistently defunded the police and criminal justice system?

jgw1 · 13/11/2023 14:11

Livelovebehappy · 13/11/2023 14:05

Behave. You know she did not urge the Met to break the law. She criticised how the police dealt with the protests, which broke ministerial law as her statement was not signed off by the Government. She gave her opinion, which is not illegal (yet). Its fact that a thousand police on the streets cannot adequately police the actions of 100k people. If we don't have the resources to police these protests adequately, then they shouldnt take place....

Not having the police resources available is not a lawful reason for cancelling a protest.

For the avoidance of doubt the former Home Secretary urged the Met Police Commisioner to ban a perfectly legal demonstration. She had no doubt been advised that there were no lawful grounds to ban the demonstration. Do you agree with the former Home Secretary when she urged the Met Police Commisioner to break the law?

EasterIssland · 13/11/2023 14:07

Livelovebehappy · 13/11/2023 14:05

Behave. You know she did not urge the Met to break the law. She criticised how the police dealt with the protests, which broke ministerial law as her statement was not signed off by the Government. She gave her opinion, which is not illegal (yet). Its fact that a thousand police on the streets cannot adequately police the actions of 100k people. If we don't have the resources to police these protests adequately, then they shouldnt take place....

How many people have been arrested or are been requested by the police for the pro Palestinian marches in the last few weeks? If our 1m that probably have demoed in the last few weeks only 100 are arrested then those marches are pacific.

Livelovebehappy · 13/11/2023 14:05

jgw1 · 13/11/2023 13:38

I am not entirely clear from your answer, do you think the former Home Secretary was talking sense when she was urging the Met Police Commisioner to break the law last week?

Behave. You know she did not urge the Met to break the law. She criticised how the police dealt with the protests, which broke ministerial law as her statement was not signed off by the Government. She gave her opinion, which is not illegal (yet). Its fact that a thousand police on the streets cannot adequately police the actions of 100k people. If we don't have the resources to police these protests adequately, then they shouldnt take place....

jgw1 · 13/11/2023 13:38

Livelovebehappy · 13/11/2023 13:30

Talking sense as in recognising that the police are not protecting people on our streets, by allowing the intimidation and antisemitic chants to take place on our streets every Saturday. Good on her to say what the majority think (minus MN posters of course...) Can you not even imagine how it must be for the Jewish community in London to be prisoners in their own homes because the police are not intervening? There is no confidence in their ability to protect the citizens of the UK currently.

I am not entirely clear from your answer, do you think the former Home Secretary was talking sense when she was urging the Met Police Commisioner to break the law last week?

Livelovebehappy · 13/11/2023 13:30

jgw1 · 13/11/2023 13:22

By talking sense, does that include the times last week she urged the Met Police Commisioner to break the law?

Talking sense as in recognising that the police are not protecting people on our streets, by allowing the intimidation and antisemitic chants to take place on our streets every Saturday. Good on her to say what the majority think (minus MN posters of course...) Can you not even imagine how it must be for the Jewish community in London to be prisoners in their own homes because the police are not intervening? There is no confidence in their ability to protect the citizens of the UK currently.

æterofax · 13/11/2023 13:25

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jgw1 · 13/11/2023 13:22

Livelovebehappy · 13/11/2023 13:21

Dissappointing news. She speaks a lot of sense. Hope her future plans include running for PM when Rishi's shitshow ends. Hopefully soon.....

By talking sense, does that include the times last week she urged the Met Police Commisioner to break the law?

Livelovebehappy · 13/11/2023 13:21

Dissappointing news. She speaks a lot of sense. Hope her future plans include running for PM when Rishi's shitshow ends. Hopefully soon.....

Ohlalalalala · 13/11/2023 13:21

Topsyturvy78 · 13/11/2023 13:11

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Chaitales · 13/11/2023 13:16

Ohlalalalala · 13/11/2023 09:44

It's too little too late; Gaza is destroyed and we all witnessed a genocide.

The hypocritical "leaders" are just concerned about the optics as you put it. They don't think in terms of morality and sanctity of human life but in terms of election and vote and if the thousands being murdered daily impacts negatively or not on their political advancement. Disgusting.

100%. It's all about holding onto their seats rather than genuine care for people

jgw1 · 13/11/2023 13:15

Passepartoute · 13/11/2023 10:03

Presumably if Cameron becomes Foreign Secretary they still need someone pretty heavyweight to be Foreign Office spokesman in the Commons.

Why?
We don't have even a flyweight being Prime Minister, so why would the FO need a heavyweight?

jgw1 · 13/11/2023 13:12

Ohlalalalala · 13/11/2023 09:24

@BelleHathor for me, as for so many others, Sunak has already lost the little credibility he had. So whatever he does, whoever he appoints, he has no credibility or any political acumen.

You are not wrong about his political acumen. He is a walking example of how not to do politics, every decision he makes is poor.

Topsyturvy78 · 13/11/2023 13:11

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Ohlalalalala · 13/11/2023 11:55

From BBC we learn that Cameron himself made someone a Lord to get them into government.

We know that David Cameron - now Lord Cameron - has been given "the dignity of a Barony of the United Kingdom" for life.

In short, that means he's in the House of Lords - the upper house of the UK Parliament.

In order to hold a position in government, people generally sit in either the House of Commons as an MP or the Lords as a peer.

Back in 2015, while prime minister, Cameron was forced to defend his decision to give Andrew Dunlop - a former adviser - a peerage so he could make him a minister at the Scotland Office.

Back then, the Scottish Nationalist Party described Dunlop's appointment and the peerage as "scandalous".

It also accused Cameron of "resorting to House of Lords ennoblement to govern Scotland".

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Ohlalalalala · 13/11/2023 10:34

I mean, has anyone known one like this?

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Ohlalalalala · 13/11/2023 10:33

ssd · 13/11/2023 09:54

Thats so true @Ohlalalalala . Almost every politician has seen whats been going on in Gaza and wondering 'but how does this play out for me?'. Its just despicable. I always wondered how the nazis managed to kill millions of people and no one stopped them. I can understand it more now. People at the top are at the top as they are naturally self serving. In other words they aren't nice people. And they always do what suits them first.

Indeed😡
I love this answer about who is an honest politician:

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