Ethnic cleansing

Oh! I think I and others missed that. I thought you seriously meant ship all Jews to Disney world or something equally ridiculous.

who is saying Palestinians should live elsewhere?

Israel. Get out before we bomb your apartment block, go south you'll be safe, actually no we're now going to bomb Khan Younis, go west.

The actions of Hamas shouldn't affect the Palestinian public. Many Israeli politicians have alluded to, or outright said, they want to see the land occupied by Israelis.

Israel's actions don't scream "peace" to me.

For saying that Palestinians belong to the land they live in and their ancestors lived in?

Are you okay with the way Israel has gone in, massacred Gaza, hoisted it's flags on its beaches and buildings, children's names erased from classrooms and merrily posing with their flag in front of landmarks?

I sincerely hope none of us are ever, ever, EVER at the same position where we open our doors to guns and are kicked out, not just out of our homes but out of our entire country.

That's my point. Palestine was an inhabited land, not for the British to simply pick up and give like a piece of candy at Halloween

Israel was not at war with Saudi Arabia, so it wasn’t a peace deal. It was an economic partnership deal. I see no link between Hamas attack and Israel’s talks with Saudi Arabia about cross-border sharing and pricing of electricity and water. It’s more logical to think Hamas attacked to take hostages to negotiate a deal with Israel regarding the Israel blockade of Gaza, the Israel illegal acquisition of Palestinian Territories, and the Israel erosion of the civil rights of Palestinians. I really don’t think Hamas would have staged their biggest attack EVER against Israel to protest Israel and Saudi Arabia shaking hands on cheap electricity deals.

@bness reported.

@bness
Seriously. Give them Florida. Why steal someone else's land?

Florida is not an empty land. Florida belongs to the Seminole and Miccosukee who never surrendered to the Spanish or the American invaders. Despite this, colonisers have pushed these First Nation peoples into the most rural, remote fringes and Florida is a nominally US State after the USA took it from the Spanish. Florida is not even the USA’s to give.

who is saying Palestinians should live elsewhere?
The fact is that Israel was at late stage negotiation with Saudi Arabia right before the 7th October attacks. This deal included concessions for Palestinians.

I get from this that Israel want peace in the region.

Hamas’ attacks were not a strange coincidence, they wanted that peace deal ruined, and so did their sponsors, Iran

So @hamstersarse

Saying Israelis should move elsewhere, away from their homes and family, friends, etc. = Not okay.

Saying Palestinians should move elsewhere, away from their homes and family, friends, etc. = Okay.

Yes?

It's bizarre that calling for freedom, that calling for a right to exist, for a freedom to live in your own homes and your ancestral land, or using a word genocide is deemed illegal, but doing an actual genocide, killing 5000 babies and children and burning down buildings, hospitals, churches, mosques, schools is not.

@beachcitygirl

No one has suggested Israel doesn't have a right to exist. I and others have said that IF Israeli people are so scared of Hamas that they are able to justify cutting of oxygen from premature babies, why don't they go to safety elsewhere?

Thats literally not what was said.
•not native’
’don’t belong there’

What I see is that many people supporting Palestine are absolutely unable to admit that fundamentally their belief is that Israel should not exist, as per the post I quoted.

If you can’t even acknowledge this, or even that that is what Hamas / Iran (who finds them) want, the whole conversation about Israel’s actions is pointless

So are you now not allowed to call these sorts of posts anti-Semitic?

Literally saying that Jews don’t belong in the region, are not native, and need to be expelled somewhere else, is totally fine

Good to know

This speaks volumes.

Seriously. Give them Florida. Why steal someone else's land?

I've also been thinking about this quote.

If you age truly native to a land, you would not bomb it into oblivion, you would not kill olive trees that were planted generations ago, destroy ancient buildings and their rich history.

Its very telling who is native to Palestine - their love for the land and tending for their trees and produce, respect for nature and their history.

Yes.

@playhallways

There is criticism of Israel from the average Joe and every day people and therefore some MN’ers, but you do get reported for anti-semitism if you’re concerned for Palestinian civilians on MN. Repeatedly told you sympathise with Hamas and condone the 7/11 attack - twisted.

However the people and governments in POWER are pro Israel 100%

But of course, we can't say anything negative about Israel because... anti semitism.

Whydo people keep repeating that? There's criticism of Israel everywhere.

Are they Hamas disguised as civilians?
Or are they civilians who participate enthusiastically in Hamas activities?

Well, if they are participating in Hamas activities then they are members of Hamas aren’t they? Nobody said that the members of Hamas weren’t Palestinians just that not that all Palestinians are members of Hamas.

Either way, if you were an IDF soldier and looking at a bloke in civilian clothing, how would you know whether he was dangerous?

You wouldn’t which is why it makes sense for Hamas to be in civilian clothing. Less chance of being shot at on your way to your targets.

You’d probably just blow him up because you’re scared and you know that nobody cares.

No worries, I do type fast 😜

The point is, when you see footage of "civilians" taking part in the 7 Oct attacks, or launching missiles in Gaza, who are they?

Are they Hamas disguised as civilians?

Or are they civilians who participate enthusiastically in Hamas activities?

Either way, if you were an IDF soldier and looking at a bloke in civilian clothing, how would you know whether he was dangerous?