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notsoready4school · 11/11/2023 10:13

Are we really just going to just let this happen. I was upset about the protest ban in France but at least he has finally spoken up. When is the UK going to finally say something and stop letting this happen in our name.

This is the moment we have been warning the whole world the Gaza Deputy Health Minister Dr. Youssef Abu Alreesh, currently inside al-Shifa Hospital as it is takes heavy fire from Israeli forces.
Here are his translated comments:

  • This is the moment we have been warning the whole world of, all generators are off, all power sources are out.
  • We have 39 newborns in the incubators, those babies are fighting against death.
  • No one is able to move around the compound, snipers are stationed all over the place in addition to the drones that target and kill any moving person.
  • A few minutes ago one of the engineering team was hit by a sniper, he was hit in the neck and was paralysed and he’s now about to die.
  • Part of the hospital was shelled and part of the building caught fire, we fear it will engulf the whole compound.
  • A few families tried to leave but they were targeted; now they are lying dead outside the hospital. We cannot get to them.
  • We are totally stranded, we are cut off from the outside world, and above all, we are left without any medical resources. We cannot even bury the dead.
  • Ferocious gunfire can be heard within the vicinity of the hospital, the intensive care unit received a mortar shell a few minutes ago.
  • Blood is everywhere, on the floor, we cannot even clean it.
  • In the past, the Israeli killing machine was killing and this was conveyed on TV screens. Now they are perpetrating the same killing but no one is listening, no one is watching, the whole world is standing by.
  • We are speaking with whatever is left of my phone battery, after that, we will be silent.
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OneHurtSpaggettio · 13/11/2023 15:17

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stormy4319trevor · 13/11/2023 15:11

@Parkingt111 Let's pray for the miracle. I wrote to my MP about this, not sure who else to contact. It's unconscionable to leave the babies to die like this.

Parkingt111 · 13/11/2023 15:08

@stormy4319trevor I have been searching for updates on the babies too

This is the latest from the guardian. It's extremely upsetting to read. I pray there is some miracle and they are saved

Dr Mohamed Tabasha, head of the paediatric department at al-Shifa hospital, has spoken to Reuters in a telephone interview. He told the news agency:
Yesterday I had 39 babies and today they have become 36. I cannot say how long they can last. I can lose another two babies today, or in an hour. I never expected in my life that I would put 39 babies side by side on a bed, each with a different disease, and in this acute shortage of medical staff, of milk.He told Reuters that the infants are too cold, and the temperature is not stable because of power cuts. In the absence of infection control measures, they are transmitting viruses to each other and they have no immunity, he said.
He said there was no longer any way of sterilising their milk and bottle teats to the required standard, and as a result, some had contracted gastritis and were suffering from diarrhoea and vomiting, which meant an acute risk of dehydration.

stormy4319trevor · 13/11/2023 13:01

Anyone have any news on the 36 babies? Poor little mites, surrounded by war and death. They are a small part of the suffering, but can't get them out of my mind.

notsoready4school · 13/11/2023 00:48

OneHurtSpaggettio · 12/11/2023 23:35

I don’t know if you guys went to the march but I really recommend going to the next one. It was incredibly emotional being there with such a large group of people who feel the same way (I cried - more than once); it stops you feel like you’re going insane watching the most inexcusable, vile atrocities being committed whilst people wait to respond with their clipboard of excuses, because all of a sudden you realise just how many other people are seeing what you’re seeing.

I walked shoulder to shoulder with people of all ages and walks of life. I hope that the people of Gaza who are suffocating in a man-made hell have seen how many of us came out for them.

I just saw this video and thought I would share:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzYm0thP9MR/?igshid=bWEzNnhtMDh3M2M5

Half of my family are doctors, with one of them having worked in ICU for 20 years. None of us can believe what we are seeing.

IDF & Israeli govt are still playing their games of humiliation. Three babies that were in the incubators have now died.

From the Guardian:

The Associated Press has this update on al-Shifa hospital, where the last generator ran out of fuel Saturday, leading to the deaths of three premature babies and four other patients, according to the Health Ministry.

It said another 36 babies are at risk of dying.

Israel’s military asserted it placed 300 liters (79 gallons) of fuel near Shifa overnight for an emergency generator powering incubators for premature babies and coordinated the delivery with hospital officials. “Sadly, they haven’t taken the fuel yet,” spokesperson Lt. Col. Richard Hecht said. He said if this fuel doesn’t work, they will seek “other solutions for the babies.”

A Health Ministry spokesperson, Ashraf al-Qidra, told Al Jazeera the fuel would not be enough to operate the generator an hour. “This is a mockery towards the patients and children,” Al-Qidra said.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/nov/12/israel-hamas-war-live-netanyahu-vows-to-press-on-with-full-force-as-fighting-rages-around-main-gaza-hospital

I know exactly what you mean re the march, I have been going to them all. The time at the march are the few moments in all of this that I feel something different to just dread, I feel somewhat consoled. it almost feels selfish being there.

i have just seen Netanyahus latest statements. I fear even more for the Palestinians, when does this stop.

Biden has lost control of him altogether.

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OneHurtSpaggettio · 12/11/2023 23:35

I don’t know if you guys went to the march but I really recommend going to the next one. It was incredibly emotional being there with such a large group of people who feel the same way (I cried - more than once); it stops you feel like you’re going insane watching the most inexcusable, vile atrocities being committed whilst people wait to respond with their clipboard of excuses, because all of a sudden you realise just how many other people are seeing what you’re seeing.

I walked shoulder to shoulder with people of all ages and walks of life. I hope that the people of Gaza who are suffocating in a man-made hell have seen how many of us came out for them.

I just saw this video and thought I would share:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzYm0thP9MR/?igshid=bWEzNnhtMDh3M2M5

Half of my family are doctors, with one of them having worked in ICU for 20 years. None of us can believe what we are seeing.

IDF & Israeli govt are still playing their games of humiliation. Three babies that were in the incubators have now died.

From the Guardian:

The Associated Press has this update on al-Shifa hospital, where the last generator ran out of fuel Saturday, leading to the deaths of three premature babies and four other patients, according to the Health Ministry.

It said another 36 babies are at risk of dying.

Israel’s military asserted it placed 300 liters (79 gallons) of fuel near Shifa overnight for an emergency generator powering incubators for premature babies and coordinated the delivery with hospital officials. “Sadly, they haven’t taken the fuel yet,” spokesperson Lt. Col. Richard Hecht said. He said if this fuel doesn’t work, they will seek “other solutions for the babies.”

A Health Ministry spokesperson, Ashraf al-Qidra, told Al Jazeera the fuel would not be enough to operate the generator an hour. “This is a mockery towards the patients and children,” Al-Qidra said.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/nov/12/israel-hamas-war-live-netanyahu-vows-to-press-on-with-full-force-as-fighting-rages-around-main-gaza-hospital

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https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzYm0thP9MR/?igshid=bWEzNnhtMDh3M2M5

notsoready4school · 12/11/2023 22:21

A poster earlier was saying maybe that this hospital situation would be a tipping point (for them) to finally realise something is wrong. I fear from how things are it will just be a boiled frog situation. Lines are being crossed and crossed and news released by authorities is so untrue and doctored that people are just willing to overlook anything that goes against the narrative they are following. Maybe even this won’t wake them up, even if all 40 babies die and they uncover a hospital full of dead people, we will see an image of a handful of rockets and announcements of we got x member of Hamas and somehow to them it will be worth it. These 40 lives who had yet to feel a warm safe cuddle a day in their lives were worth so little.

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notsoready4school · 12/11/2023 21:49

I keep skimming different news any news to see maybe now someone will say something, maybe now Biden will intervene, maybe now Sunak will say enough.

Nothing, not even something as lame as expressions of mild disappointment at the uncomfortable situation the hospital is going through.

I feel like a die a new death every day. It's like the longest bereavement ever. I don't think any of us will ever be the same person again.

notsoready4school · 12/11/2023 21:49

I keep skimming different news any news to see maybe now someone will say something, maybe now Biden will intervene, maybe now Sunak will say enough.

Nothing, not even something as lame as expressions of mild disappointment at the uncomfortable situation the hospital is going through.

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OneHurtSpaggettio · 12/11/2023 19:20

From WHO this morning, after losing communications with its contacts at Al Shifa:

Patients seeking health care should never be exposed to fear, and health workers who have taken an oath to treat them should never be forced to risk their own lives to provide care.

WHO calls again for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza as the only way to save lives and reduce the horrific levels of suffering.

Hospitals, patients, health staff, and persons sheltering in health facilities are protected under the Geneva Conventions and International Humanitarian Law.

https://www.emro.who.int/media/news/who-loses-communication-with-contacts-in-al-shifa-hospital-in-gaza-amid-reports-of-attacks.html

WHO loses communication with contacts in Al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza amid reports of attacks

https://www.emro.who.int/media/news/who-loses-communication-with-contacts-in-al-shifa-hospital-in-gaza-amid-reports-of-attacks.html

Parkingt111 · 12/11/2023 16:01

@Stomacharmeleon iv had a busy day so not up to date today
But just had a quick look and things are looking worse for everyone unfortunately

Stomacharmeleon · 12/11/2023 14:45

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Stomacharmeleon · 12/11/2023 14:42

@notsoready4school they have allowed independent journalists in with them eg Jeremy Bowen from the bbc.
Which is a darn sight more independent than Hamas health minister.

Stomacharmeleon · 12/11/2023 14:41

@Parkingt111 I agree.....

Stomacharmeleon · 12/11/2023 14:40

*live (I give up)

Stomacharmeleon · 12/11/2023 14:40

*ridding.... sorry spelling error.

Stomacharmeleon · 12/11/2023 14:39

And now you will say ' they shouldn't have stopped giving them fuel in the first place' although this negates the fuel they are given that's then taken by Hamas.

They offered a solution as is removing the patients and doctors. They are resolute in riding Gaza of Hamas as no one should have to leave under terror.

@Parkingt111 I argue but that's because you are the voice of reason. And you also listen rather than condemn.

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notsoready4school · 12/11/2023 13:48

Stomacharmeleon · 12/11/2023 11:27

@notsoready4school 'I have seen no evidence of that' do you live there?
Hamas are still firing rockets into Israel and fighting hand to hand (in a hospital)
Imagine if they just laid down arms or stopped firing rockets (that have to come from somewhere)

I am talking about what Hamas could do now.....like handing back the hostages. All of them. Which they haven't.

I wrote a long reply but then realised it’s pointless. Maybe just maybe this hospital is what we need to wake up. Chances are even then you won’t be allowed to wake up because the narrative will first be anchored by fake images that will later become obvious as fake but the view formed by you will be anchored already, just like the beheaded babies.

It’s so hopeless.

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notsoready4school · 12/11/2023 13:38

HiggleDyPigGeldy · 12/11/2023 11:37

All the pro war people on this thread are essentially trying to gaslight the world by saying it’s Hamas’s fault Gazans are being bombed by Israel.

I am 100% pro Israel bringing Hamas fighters to justice, but that is NOT the same as killing tens of thousands of civilians.

If you are an Israeli politician calling the shots today, if you are an Israeli commander giving the orders, if you are an Israeli reservist signing up to go kill babies in “defense” of your people… you are responsible for deep evil. Similar to the October 7th perpetrators but in many ways worse as you are doing it from a position of way more privilege and education than the Hamas terrorists who have little access to education, global networks, diplomatic tools, precision military technology, intelligence etc. You, and all those egging on the violence, are worse because you have access to so much resource that could enable you to do things differently if you actually thought Gazan lives mattered.

Thank you. This is just so true.

I wish they could just see past the brainwashing. When will they wake up. The world doesn’t hate them. If it was just a few odd ppl shouting out you might question it but when doctors all over the world, politicians, humans, other Jewish people are all saying the same thing you need to just reflect on it and consider the possibility you might be doing something wrong.

These are just normal people across the world, in most cases biased in Israel’s favour and still calling it wrong.

it is just so useless having these discussions online. They just can’t see it. It just can’t change unless they see it is a really baby, just because it is a Palestinian baby it doesn’t make it worthless.

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Dinkydaisy1 · 12/11/2023 13:05

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I agree - there is a total unwillingness from those defending genocide and the validity of Palestinian deaths to actually confront the reality of Israel. There is little to no critical discourse on its violent creation, forced displacement and ongoing terror. There is just a simple blame on every corner -

Arab stated for not allowing Israel to just be created in joy and happiness
Palestinians for never wanting peace
Gazans for supporting Hamas, from the day they were born (or even just from fertilisation in the womb)
UN and Amnesty for being Anti Semitic for calling Israel an apartheid state
All hospitals churches, mosques, bakeries, all being hamas hotspots
If not Hamas, then Hezbollah, or west bank radicals
babies and children and dead people simply dressed up in paint and dramatic clothes to inflate death tolls
Civilians and journalists all being mouth pieces for hamas and saying whatever hamas dictates
All callers for ceasefire being imbeciles who don't know what they talking about
Medical organisations that have been speaking about Israels contribution to breakdown in Gazas infrastructure for years
Doctors being too busy working to realise their hospitals are actually fronts for Hamas
Holocaust survivors, anti Zionist Jews, as being self hating or misled people

Its constant. There is absolutely zero critical thinking or human empathy. It's futile having any conversations here.

Parkingt111 · 12/11/2023 12:30

@Stomacharmeleon I know it's upsetting but the way I see it can also be two possibilities

  1. The doctors who Hamas take to treat the hostages don't really have a choice (again Hamas, I'm sure they don't fancy saying no to them)
  1. Doctors take an oath to preserve all life. I'm sure they would not even want to say no to saving or treating innocent lives of the people who find themselves in a horrendous situation, they are innocent people

It would be much worse if they died a preventable death would it not.

Jupitersstorm · 12/11/2023 12:09

OneHurtSpaggettio · 12/11/2023 01:22

Evacuate hundreds of critically injured and disfigured people, many of whom are in intensive care, as well as babies in incubators to where exactly? To one of the other hospitals getting bombed, or…? I would love to know.

“All staff in the hospital have always known that hamas have their headquarters below the hospital, they also know that the hostages including 30 babies are being held below the hospital.”

You’re just making things up as you go along. Multiple hospital staff have refuted the claim that Hamas are there. If they are there, then they’re unaware.

As for the bit about babies being held under the hospital, that is pure fiction. I love that you claim to know where the hostages are.

When was the last pause? Do you know that, too?

You seem to think that Hamas have forced Israel to do despicable things, as if Hamas are somehow now using telekinesis to force the IDF to blow up, maim and torture Palestinian children and babies as they die slowly under rubble. As if that isn’t a choice made by their far-right, terrorist government, that’s part of all the other monstrous decisions that they make.

The fact that you have been reading the news for the past month and think that the Israeli govt give a shit about hostages says a lot. Thousands protesting in Israel disagree with you.
@eardefender

Are you responding to me or Onand who posted the post you disagreed with?
Try and make your points without veiled insults like" says a lot."

notsoready4school · 12/11/2023 12:05

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I agree these posts just highlight the brainwashing that lies behind this, it is you important for people to understand where the violence is stemming from so that they can be ‘woken’ from it.

It will be impossible to change it unless the world first realises where the thinking behind the ‘Palestinian babies deserve to die for the cause of getting Hamas’ comes from. It comes from hatred and brainwashing of overblown concepts of everyone hates you, no one will save you, only we can defend ourselves and it doesn’t matter that the rest of the world is saying we are wrong in what we are doing, it’s justified because remember they ALL hate us.

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Livinginanotherworld · 12/11/2023 12:01

OuiOuiKitty · 12/11/2023 10:35

Just today, Israel is offering assistance to the Shifra hospital today to help it transport the babies in incubators. If the Israeli army was intent on genocide and targeting civilians this would not be happening.

Is this serious? A decent army wouldn't cut off power, destroy solar panels and generators for hospitals. A decent army wouldn't deny hospitals fuel for generators. A decent army would deny aid entry so that people are having to ha e amputations on the floor with no anaesthesia. A decent army wouldn't have snipers shooting nicu nurses as they do their job. A decent army wouldn't target ambulances and medical centres. Delicate babies shouldn't need to be moved, they should be safe in their incubators with their parents at their side and nurses able to freely move around and tend to them. They shouldn't be wrapped in blankets on a hospital floor with terrified staff afraid to move on case they get shot. If Israel do move them it will be for nothing but optics because babies dying in incubators makes them look as bad as they are.

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This….they don’t need to move those poor babies, they just need to turn the power and water on, but they won’t get the propaganda coverage for that will they.

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