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notsoready4school · 11/11/2023 10:13

Are we really just going to just let this happen. I was upset about the protest ban in France but at least he has finally spoken up. When is the UK going to finally say something and stop letting this happen in our name.

This is the moment we have been warning the whole world the Gaza Deputy Health Minister Dr. Youssef Abu Alreesh, currently inside al-Shifa Hospital as it is takes heavy fire from Israeli forces.
Here are his translated comments:

  • This is the moment we have been warning the whole world of, all generators are off, all power sources are out.
  • We have 39 newborns in the incubators, those babies are fighting against death.
  • No one is able to move around the compound, snipers are stationed all over the place in addition to the drones that target and kill any moving person.
  • A few minutes ago one of the engineering team was hit by a sniper, he was hit in the neck and was paralysed and he’s now about to die.
  • Part of the hospital was shelled and part of the building caught fire, we fear it will engulf the whole compound.
  • A few families tried to leave but they were targeted; now they are lying dead outside the hospital. We cannot get to them.
  • We are totally stranded, we are cut off from the outside world, and above all, we are left without any medical resources. We cannot even bury the dead.
  • Ferocious gunfire can be heard within the vicinity of the hospital, the intensive care unit received a mortar shell a few minutes ago.
  • Blood is everywhere, on the floor, we cannot even clean it.
  • In the past, the Israeli killing machine was killing and this was conveyed on TV screens. Now they are perpetrating the same killing but no one is listening, no one is watching, the whole world is standing by.
  • We are speaking with whatever is left of my phone battery, after that, we will be silent.
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notsoready4school · 22/11/2023 22:17

stormy4319trevor · 22/11/2023 20:56

I don't know if they can refuse - it isn't a live combat zone in theory so not sure what justification there could be for refusal. I don't actually know the laws regulating journalists' access to areas -and who grants visas to enter Gaza. Normally it would be the government of a territory, but maybe Gaza is not allowed to give visas.

looks like it’s very difficult for journalists to get in, Israel has banned international journalists entry.

https://rsf.org/en/israel-eradicating-journalism-gaza-ten-reporters-killed-three-days-48-start-war

Israel is eradicating journalism in Gaza, with ten reporters killed in three days, 48 since start of war

Journalism is in the process of being eradicated in the Gaza Strip as a result of Israel’s refusal to heed calls to protect media personnel, says Reporters Without Borders (RSF). The situation is dire for Palestinian journalists trapped in the enclave,...

https://rsf.org/en/israel-eradicating-journalism-gaza-ten-reporters-killed-three-days-48-start-war

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stormy4319trevor · 22/11/2023 20:56

notsoready4school · 22/11/2023 20:46

Yes that would be good but do you think they will be allowed in by Israel ?

I don't know if they can refuse - it isn't a live combat zone in theory so not sure what justification there could be for refusal. I don't actually know the laws regulating journalists' access to areas -and who grants visas to enter Gaza. Normally it would be the government of a territory, but maybe Gaza is not allowed to give visas.

stormy4319trevor · 22/11/2023 20:48

Yes @Stomacharmeleon A pause in fighting means they can do that, depending on whether Hamas agrees. But it looks positive that there has been movement through negotiations and that the situation is not still stuck, if you see what I mean,

notsoready4school · 22/11/2023 20:47

Will aid be coming to the hospitals in northern Gaza or is it only the ones in the south ?

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notsoready4school · 22/11/2023 20:46

stormy4319trevor · 22/11/2023 20:42

With a pause in fighting there may be an opportunity for journalists to enter Gaza, This would be really useful, as most of their local journalists have been killed and the recurring cutting off of communications has made it very difficult to know about conditions in the strip.

Yes that would be good but do you think they will be allowed in by Israel ?

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Stomacharmeleon · 22/11/2023 20:44

I hope the Red Cross can be allowed to see the remaining hostages and make sure they are alive and well.

stormy4319trevor · 22/11/2023 20:42

With a pause in fighting there may be an opportunity for journalists to enter Gaza, This would be really useful, as most of their local journalists have been killed and the recurring cutting off of communications has made it very difficult to know about conditions in the strip.

Stomacharmeleon · 22/11/2023 20:35

I am hoping the release of fifty hostages might be the start of something positive. Aid into Gaza and really just a breath...
I know people malign Biden but I agree people do things in anger and just a reset may be the way forward.
I would hope for all sake Hamas go into exile so not enough drop of blood has to be shed.

pomewis · 22/11/2023 20:33

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LilyMumsnet · 22/11/2023 20:26

Hi all

Please can we get the thread back on track? If it continues after this post, we will likely have to remove it. Thanks. Flowers

FourCandlesNotForkHandles · 22/11/2023 20:25

Stomacharmeleon · 22/11/2023 20:20

@Thekirit absolutely. Apologies

Oh well.!
someone tried.!

If posters want a personal argument, with no one listening to anything then why can’t they use the personal messaging available.
This post has been derailed for pages now.

Humdingerydoo · 22/11/2023 20:22

notsoready4school · 22/11/2023 20:02

Umm the school is the one who informed her of both incidents. They don’t log either with any racism body. It’s the Jewish boys parents who reported it.

Before you suggest the police, there are c4m Muslims in the UK. Many of whom are identifiably so and a lot of whom are in jobs where they will regularly receive abuse anyway. shop keepers, Uber drivers, takeaway owners etc. They will tend not to report it to the police unless it is violent. It is unlikely they call the police every time they get shouted down as terrorist or other words. Probably only when it gets violent.

This was in the US but we have shops like this here, do you think this guy called the police? Do you think this is a one off occurrence ?https://twitter.com/Lowkey0nline/status/1727036202648219991/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1727036202648219991&currentTweet=1727036202648219991&currentTweetUser=Lowkey0nline&currentTweetUser=Lowkey0nline

So you readily assume that Muslims don't always report every disgusting, islamophobic comment thrown their way, but you think anti-Semitism is exaggerated? You don't think Jews also have racist slurs thrown their way and they ignore rather than report the majority of the time? Instead, you think we report things that aren't anti-Semitic just to get more funding. Right. Interesting.

Stomacharmeleon · 22/11/2023 20:20

@Thekirit absolutely. Apologies

Switcher · 22/11/2023 20:19

Stop what happening? Terrorists lying?

Thekirit · 22/11/2023 20:17

Can we get back to the thread.
please.

Youve both proved your point
Please move on

Girahim · 22/11/2023 20:12

notsoready4school · 22/11/2023 19:17

The school did have a talk with him but the point is it was also reported as an incident of antisemitism in school at the CST. This is the body that gets quoted for 1000% rise in antisemitism.

Can you point me to the 1000% figure? I can't see it on their website.

Stomacharmeleon · 22/11/2023 20:05

@notsoready4school I am not being obtuse but why couldn't she do the same? If she felt it was on par?

notsoready4school · 22/11/2023 20:02

Stomacharmeleon · 22/11/2023 19:47

@notsoready4school why would she not report to the school?

Umm the school is the one who informed her of both incidents. They don’t log either with any racism body. It’s the Jewish boys parents who reported it.

Before you suggest the police, there are c4m Muslims in the UK. Many of whom are identifiably so and a lot of whom are in jobs where they will regularly receive abuse anyway. shop keepers, Uber drivers, takeaway owners etc. They will tend not to report it to the police unless it is violent. It is unlikely they call the police every time they get shouted down as terrorist or other words. Probably only when it gets violent.

This was in the US but we have shops like this here, do you think this guy called the police? Do you think this is a one off occurrence ?https://twitter.com/Lowkey0nline/status/1727036202648219991/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1727036202648219991&currentTweet=1727036202648219991&currentTweetUser=Lowkey0nline&currentTweetUser=Lowkey0nline

https://twitter.com/Lowkey0nline/status/1727036202648219991/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1727036202648219991&currentTweet=1727036202648219991&currentTweetUser=Lowkey0nline&currentTweetUser=Lowkey0nline

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Humdingerydoo · 22/11/2023 19:49

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No, that wouldn't be a cynic saying that. It would be said by someone who eg has consistently repeated an anti-semitic comment, refused to listen when told what they're saying isn't acceptable and then denied antisemitism is much of an issue. It would be said by someone who refuses to understand that every single Jewish school, old-age home, nursery, synagogue, museum, hospice etc in this country have guards posted outside out of necessity, and that these guards need to be paid.

Stomacharmeleon · 22/11/2023 19:47

@notsoready4school why would she not report to the school?

notsoready4school · 22/11/2023 19:39

Stomacharmeleon · 22/11/2023 18:14

@notsoready4school oh so she is contesting the detention but felt she couldn't report the Islamophobia?

Who should she report Islamophobia to?

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notsoready4school · 22/11/2023 19:33

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ChickHenLittle · 22/11/2023 19:30

I don't mean this to get at anyone in particular, but can we please just report posts which we think break talk guidelines or are unacceptable?
Every time I see an update on this thread on my "Threads I'm on" page it's arguments about how a post should be reported and is unacceptable for whatever reason.
I'm not trying to be uppity or nasty, it's just taken away from the original topic.

Stomacharmeleon · 22/11/2023 19:25

@notsoready4school am I? You better report me then. I am only repeating what you have said on here. I am confused why she could complain about one and not the other? Perhaps I missed something?

Xenia · 22/11/2023 19:24

It is extremely likely that there is much more anti semitism than that which is reported and that it has hugely increased.

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