BBC News - Macron calls on Israel to stop killing Gaza's women and babies

Yes and you've seen me say that. The only problem is, none of us can come up with any other way to get rid of Hamas without hurting civilians and without risking further death of Israeli's and their soldiers. Thats the problem here, Hamas are making sure by situating themselves amongst civilians, that maximum civilian deaths occur, which can then be blamed on Israel. My issue with a lot of the comments is they don't recognise this or give any responsibility to Hamas for Palestinian deaths. In order to have a ceasefire, there needs to be a way for Israelis to feel safe, and for Hamas to be eradicated and Palestinians given the chance to have safety from them too. Its easy for us in the UK to say, ceasefire. What I am not seeing is much understanding for those in Israel who clearly expect to be kept safe by their leaders too. Like we do.

After 9/11 the whole world responded. Many innocent people were killed.

War crimes are war crimes are war crimes.
Hospitals being bombed, displaced families bombed, water and electricity cut off. Dead babies, toddlers, children, elderly, injured bombed by a country sustaining & committing war crimes against innocent people who can't defend themselves.

DEAD BABIES WERE NOT IN HAMAS.

The issue I don’t think has been resolved is what to do about Hamas

I mean this more in looking forward, for Palestinians too

How will they be governed and who would be safe enough to do so?

@Iwantcakeeveryday the issue for me isn't the fact that Israel is responding
Its the disproportionate nature of the response that many are criticising
I'm sure you would agree

Russia invaded Ukraine. Israel is responding, in their view, to a terrorist attack which was barbaric and disturbed in its manner. Hamas have also committed war crimes.The war started by Russia is not the same as the conflict between Israel and Palestine. At all.

War crimes is what the 2 countries have in common.

I am not sure how on earth you can compare the two situations. They're not the same. Israel does not need to be cut off, any more than the aid going to Gaza despite Hamas presence would need to be.

Israel should have been told before now that its response was disproportionate, by every major western leader. That could have been done while also supporting their right to defend themselves, as America did when they were a victim of terrorism.

Sanctions for Israel need to happen now. Israel needs to be called out as Russia was over Ukraine. No more US aid, no more UK/US arms trade. Israel need cut off.

We need to stop saying all "Western leaders" because that is inaccurate. It has been noted upthread Ireland's, Spain's, Belgium's, Scotland's leaders and others have been calling for a humanitarian ceasefire for weeks. Unfortunately they don't hold as much sway as the big hitters US, France, Germany but it's important to acknowledge their position. I'm in Ireland and you'd be shocked by the language used about us in news interviews with the Israeli ambassador and an IDF spokesperson the other day.

Hamas is a deemed a ‘terrorist’ organisation and is Israel is not. You can’t expect terrorists to be held to the same standard as Israel.
The West have been fully behind Israel . However, it is now time for the West to
condemn the continued bombing of innocent Palestinians .
It is a travesty that so many people are losing their lives while the West sit by and watch the decimation

I suspect all the Western leaders have seen how outraged the public are about this and are quietly scaling back their war crime approval. Behind the scenes they are probably crapping themselves at being implicated in this shitstorm.

War crimes cannot be kept in secrecy and people see what is going on.

@EasternStandard

Do you think Macron might be feeling the heat in terms of potential public disorder, and with two large Muslim and Jewish groups it’s a way to try and pour some water on domestic issues?

Not sure how much heat he is feeling but he certainly has to tread carefully.

I see Antony Blinken is also now saying 'far too many Palestinians have been killed.' I expect a lot of people are now going to start gently rowing back on their position. But it very much seems like too little too late. It was only a few short weeks ago that they were fully behind the retaliation.

@notimagain it’s interesting to hear from a domestic pov from France

I haven’t been following much but I think marches were banned from the Palestinian perspective but there is a march tomorrow against antisemitism

Do you think Macron might be feeling the heat in terms of potential public disorder, and with two large Muslim and Jewish groups it’s a way to try and pour some water on domestic issues?

This whole thing is just nuts. Really, really bad.

What Hamas did was horrific, abominable, beyond the pale, really really awful, it truly was.

But this response is just insane and I can't quite believe it's happening. Israel have basically trapped 2m people in a tiny area and are bombing them into oblivion. At least at the start, the West were basically standing on the sidelines saying 'go on then, do it, do it!'

Hamas need to be stopped, Gaza needs to have a free and fair election, both sides need to be allowed to live in peace and security.

The ideation that Israel and all Jews should be wiped off the map is abhorrent.

All of these things are true, I'm not sure at all how to achieve it, but surely this is not the way.

@Zonder exactly Rashida Said from the river to the sea.. and there was outrage
Whilst she openly says this with nowhere near enough reproach

This is incredible. Michelle Salzman should be prosecuted for this.

time for Biden to change his words …

Bonjour...😉

I'm not going to wade through a month's worth of French Presidential Tweets and statements from the Elysee, I'm sure you all can do that...and if you do you'll see he has continually been very very critical of Hamas...

He was still pretty clear on his views on Hamas just two or three days ago at the start of the conference on the conflict when he was reported as saying:

"Hamas “shouldered the responsibility for exposing Palestinians to terrible consequences,” and he again defended Israel’s right to defend itself....

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/western-arab-officials-gathering-paris-find-ways-provide-104749281

I didn’t like Macron at all until right now watching that clip. Bravo Monsieur er merci.

We need more politicians like this one
https://twitter.com/aamer_rahman/status/1722641101528691193?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1722641101528691193%7Ctwgr%5Ed5829766a88de3f245a2bc1cad37a65d55a872dd%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.meneame.net%2Fbox_tweet

This

So Hamas beheading babies in Israel is OK? You do know Hamas build military HQs under hospitals so the people they don’t care about get killed?

Change the script, FGS