What is the deal with the violence in West Bank ?

Oh that organisation.....

"The Israeli human rights organization B’Tselem reports that since the start of the war, 16 villages and their 880 Palestinian residents have been completely displaced as a result of these attacks; 180 Palestinians have been killed and 64 injured. Over 2,000 Palestinians have been arrested. Videos of their mistreatment and torture have gone viral."

It's beyond surreal that the old Mossad chief can describe the West Bank as an Apartheid state. This would be grounds for expulsion in the present UK Labour Party.

@Ohlalalalala oh yes I have just seen.... the socialist worker. Hmmmm.

All the time and in three different languages.

For anyone wanting information from Gaza or the West Bank, Al Jazeera is the most reputable source to have a presence.

Israel seems to have a predilection for targeting journalists there, but are currently avoiding doing that to Al-Jazeera journalists as they already killed its star journalist there, Shireen Abu Akleh, who was shot dead by an Israeli sniper last year which caused an international uproar.

UN experts demand justice for Al Jazeera journalist on one year anniversary of her killing
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/05/un-experts-demand-justice-al-jazeera-journalist-one-year-anniversary-her

Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war
https://cpj.org/2023/11/journalist-casualties-in-the-israel-gaza-conflict/

As of November 26, CPJ’s preliminary investigations showed at least 57 journalists and media workers were killed since Oct 7.

Stomacharmeleon

I can't imagine how terrifying. I just hope they killed them quickly. And yes I believe Hamas have said they did it. I'm sure I'll be corrected if another group has claimed responsibility. Since, strangely enough, no msm seems to be reporting on it, it's difficult to tell.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67535965

That better? Still the same horrendous news unfortunately.

@Ohlalalalala I just wonder if you read any other sources?

Israeli forces carry out deadly raids in the West Bank amid Gaza truce https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/26/israeli-forces-carry-out-deadly-raids-in-the-west-bank-amid-gaza-truce

Israeli forces have killed eight Palestinians, including a child, in the occupied West Bank.

@StarbucksSmarterSister I know I have said it but they must have been terrified.

So this was the non existent Hamas in the West Bank?

Humdingerydoo

I saw someone yesterday saying they were lynched because there wasn't a proper legal system due to the occupation. The town these 2 men were murdered in had a new courthouse built 2 years ago but obviously Hamas decided they couldn't be bothered to use it.

The two men lynched.

Hamza Mubarak and Azzam Jamal Hafez Jawabra

Israeli settlers steal Palestinian farmers’ land in occupied West Bank https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2023/11/26/israeli-settlers-steal-palestinian-farmers-land-in-occupied-west-bank

According to this quote from Reuters, it's all Israel's fault

"The Independent Commission for Human Rights, a Palestinian rights group, issued a statement criticising extrajudicial killings but said Israeli authorities were responsible for recruiting Palestinian agents."

So really, it doesn't matter which terrorist group it was, because Israel.

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As I had said ‘not everyone knows…’
I had not thought you would feel I meant you personally did not know there were other groups, so I apologise for not expressing my points more clearly.

I also thought tagging meant putting @ before a name, not quoting a post for context, which is what I did.

I never said nor meant to imply that if a group other than Hamas carried out these killings that should somehow be a comfort to Israelis, (or Palestinians)! - as it seems some on here assumed.

At the time, because of what The Times of Israel had written, I had just wanted to clarify that it wasn’t Hamas but another group. Because that in itself is important for all sorts of reasons (none implying Hamas are somehow maligned innocents).

Having just seen the Jerusalem Post wrote it was Hamas, and that Hamas also said they did it, I was coming on here to say I had been wrong earlier. Then saw you had already said that the Jerusalem Post had reported this. Thank you as I might not have seen it.

The paper Haaretz has reported it as Hamas and Fatah which confuses me, if that is right, as I thought they were enemies. You may know more about this perhaps.

Won't take long before this thread is derailed anyway.

@feralunderclass The settler behaviour towards Palestinians is horrific.

Exactly @ItsRainingTacos79 In the past the reason given for Israeli presence was security and there was an assumption the occupation would end, if peace talks could arrange a settlement. Levy's statement seems like it lays the ground for formal annexation of the WB. If it's repeated more frequently, I don't see how Biden and others can not respond.

@ScrollingLeaves I do know this, so I don’t need you to tag me. I’ve repeatedly pointed out on here that Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad and The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade-to name a few- have operated in the West Bank for years and it’s usually met with flat out denial. You appear to be doing it right now.

The Jerusalem Post reported that Hamas published a statement confirming the accusations of the two men and their execution by firing squad, so the various ‘members of Palestinian armed groups’ can clearly collaborate to murder and terrorise Palestinian civilians in the West Bank when they’re not fighting each other.

@SomeCatFromJapan they must have been so frightened.

I've seen further footage of the incident now. It's abhorent - hung and dismembered. What makes it particularly upsetting is that takes place in front of a large mob dancing for joy and recording it.

https://twitter.com/amjadt25/status/1728369571961196765

Knowing that there are more lunatic death cult type organisations out there was well as Hamas is hardly comforting.

@25milesfromhome which of course makes it so much easier and is so comforting for the people of Israel that multiple arms groups are out to murder them rather than just the one!

How abhorrent they are, and to what degree, was not the point I was making.

I was responding to a poster who said that Hamas had carried out the killings of the two Palestinian men in the West Bank when Hamas are supposedly not in the West Bank.

My reply quoted The Times of Israel report which did not name Hamas as the perpetrators but did report “members of Palestinian armed groups”.

Not everyone would know there are several different Palestinian armed groups who are operatating in the West Bank who are not Hamas.

@stormy4319trevor I wonder where all this now leaves the western allies who are supporting Israel's military actions. It is now clear that a two state solution has never been the Israeli government's aim. It will be interesting to hear the UK, Europe and US take on the Israeli government position on this.

This is the full article

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/06/israel-imposing-apartheid-on-palestinians-says-former-mossad-chief

There is also oppression of the Palestinians. Not only by settlers but also by the Israeli authority.

This is what Israels former Mossad chief said just this September
Pardo told the Associated Press that Israel’s mechanisms for controlling the Palestinians, from restrictions on movement to placing them under military law while Jewish settlers in the occupied territories are governed by civilian courts, matched the old South Africa.“There is an apartheid state here,” he said. “In a territory where two people are judged under two legal systems, that is an apartheid state.”**