Israel has a right to defend itself

For some posters, to disagree with the right wing Zionist government who have killed thousands of civilians means that the person disagreeing (a) condones the atrocities of 7/11 and (b) is ant-Semitic and (c) supports Hamas
The themes of the arguments tend to go:

• what about the hostages?
• it’s fake news/ Hamas propaganda
• if you don’t support the actions of the Netanyahu government, this means that you support terrorists and that makes you a bad person who doesn’t care about Jewish people.
• you’re a hypocrite because bad things are being done elsewhere and because you are targeting this particular war, you’re anti-Semitic ( the bad things cited not directly supported by UK or US, not being done democratic states and are situations where public opinion in UK/US/EU will not generate a ceasefire)

I agree it'll cause issues for years to come. Hideous war, and nothing justifies this genocide from a nasty right wing government, whilst the West looks the other way.

Absolutely ridiculous.

This conflict is only the second we in the west have seen broadcast in modern technology (first hand smart phone video). Ukraine was the first.

At the time of Ukraine there was loads of similar commenters to yourself. Why would we care about that? Oh it’s because they are white. And at the start of this? Why would you care about that? Because it’s antisemitism?

No, it’s because no one in their right fucking mind thinks it’s ok for a 2 year old to be blown up and have no legs. These archaic old men do not realise that we normal civilians can see this now. We couldn’t see post 9/11 Afghanistan what was really happening. He might want to deny children being blown up but it’s black and fucking white. And they are the bad guys. Pure evil.

Im ashamed of our spineless government for not standing up about this. Besides the point it’s fundamentally morally wrong. We will never be able to have respect worldwide and influence peace on the world ever again. We are hypocrites. Even Israel spokesman said himself in that video ‘but you killed civilians post 9/11’. They aren’t on our side. Their arrogance is astounding. They think we are idiots and they can gaslight us.

Im not going to get into why they are the biggest idiots here but I am sure they will find out in the next 20/30 years. The majority of these archaic men will be dead by then so what do they care. History will know their names and not in a good way. Israelis, Jewish people and the west and our civilians generally are the ones which will be left to suffer the consequences.

It's awful the things 'humans' do to other humans around the world. Most seemingly go unnoticed.

Nobody who supports Israel in their actions seems to be able or willing to answer any questions. The MO seems to be deflect, deflect, deflect. And bonus points if you can deflect with Islamophobia.

I agree with @Artwhatttt - there are devastating things going on all the time but I don't know about then and (crucially) my government isn't supporting them.

For what it's worth, I boycotted Chinese products for years over human rights abuses, I've sent Amnesty International letters on different topics. It feels like screaming into the wind. What's different here is we're being asked to accept the narrative that it's justified. That makes us part of the problem.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Czv7VyPo7no/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

I think it would be better if more people saw these horrific images and got an idea about what the reality of collateral damage is all about. It’s nothing but the legalised murder of thousands of poor people like that little girl. I wish people like Sunak were forced to look at it. Imagine if this was one of your little girls Sunak, would you still want Netanyahu to win?

Is something only not okay if you have to see it when you scroll though? Out of sight, out of mind, if it's not in the news cycle it doesn't matter?

Why? Why do I care about this and not Yemen? I have no fucking idea what’s going on in Yemen. I’m not out here hunting for wars. I am trying to mind my own business and can’t scroll two minutes on social media without seeing video of this. Memorable moments include a man carrying body parts of his family in plastic bags, yesterday a 2 year old with no legs, countless maimed, traumatised and injured children and today a UN school which has been blown to bits with bodies scattered all over the floor.

Im sorry but I’m not going to shut up about this. How can I turn a blind eye whilst this horror is all over my news feeds. And our government aren't saying anything about Yemen (or not that I have heard). Currently our government are pretty much supporting this genocide.

If you think this is ok there’s something seriously fucking wrong with you.

And this.

You clearly aren’t up to date with the rest of the world. So here have a peak at this and think twice about what you are posting. “But Hamas are hiding there so we have to kill children” doesn’t work for anyone anymore https://x.com/kitklarenberg/status/1725552488516911330?s=46&t=eApyQwxkdiGUWJcyEmIdVA

https://www.instagram.com/p/CzzpVhStfo5/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
the Israeli government have no limits to their atrocities

How about reframing that yourself. Because Hamas haven’t used it as headquarters. Watched the bbc report or the many other reports recently? 🤦‍♀️They’ve planted a few weapons there to make it look like it’s their headquarters. Social media is full of videos of analysis of the propaganda video made by the idf. It’s all been proven as lies.

@stormy4319trevor how about reframing that question - why are Hamas using hospitals as their headquarters when they know more innocent civilians will die because of their tactics?

I don't understand what reasons they have given for targeting hospitals, in particular.

I don’t think there is much UK can do to improve things in China, it is a much more powerful country than ours. I don’t think the UK government has ever said it agrees with those human rights abuses though. As for Yemen I think it’s disgusting that the UK sells weapons to Saudi Arabia. I do not suppprt the arms trade at all.

@headstone I agree it is shocking to see full support from the UK and US for this. It's not as if Netanyahu and his government have hidden their intentions.

Yes and Obama, Biden and the UK are allies with Saudi Arabia who are pursuing the war in Yemen. Nobody is very interested in that, odd?

Really? Ok some facts for you - since the Yemen war began 4 million people have been displaced, 17.4 million are suffering from food shortages and malnutrition, 11000 children have been killed. The Chinese government has imprisoned more than one million people since 2017 and subjected those not detained to intense surveillance, religious restrictions, forced labor, and forced sterilizations. But all your ire is reserved for Isreal?

Since when has our government supported recent genocide though? Can’t think of any other genocide that our government has said yes go ahead we want you to win. I don’t think it is possible for UK to police the world but to surely shouldn’t support one.? It’s crazy that supporting the genocide of actual Semitic people isn’t considered antisemetic.

No so called democratic society has killed this number of innocent people including babies in incubators. Food and water has been stopped. Hospitals and schools have been destroyed. Southern Gaza was supposed to be safe but that’s been bombed too. Hospitals power has finally run out but Israeli forces are not allowing them to move bodies out. This is beyond comprehension. Meanwhile in West Bank innocent people are being tortured and terrorised to steal more land and homes

@Ballsbaill i agree with you. Muslim on Muslim violence is absolutely fine it would seem, the Chinese genocide of Muslims is fine but Israel absolutely cannot defend itself. I’ve no skin in this game whatsoever, not a Jew and abhor the killing on both sides of this conflict. When I see marches about Yemen, and the fate of the afghans being forcibly removed to Pakistan and against the treatment of Uyghurs then I might think this is more than thinly disguised antisemitism.

Nothing can justify what Israel is doing. Nothing can justify the genocide against innocent civilians. Self defence does not mean genocide or terrorising civilians to steal their homes and land