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The cenotaph and poppy sellers

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LittleMooli · 10/11/2023 06:17

Hi, would anyone mind explaining to me why the media seems to be portraying that remembrance commemorations are being targeted by pro-palestinian protests? I don't really know enough to know how the two things are linked.

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MissAtomicBomb1 · 11/11/2023 18:49

Ecdysiast · 11/11/2023 18:47

@LittleMooli
In reference to the OPs original post, I spotted an abundance of poppies at the march for Palestine today.

Yes, hijacked for the pro-Palestine cause.

Ecdysiast · 11/11/2023 18:47

@LittleMooli
In reference to the OPs original post, I spotted an abundance of poppies at the march for Palestine today.

The cenotaph and poppy sellers
The cenotaph and poppy sellers
The cenotaph and poppy sellers
ScribblingPixie · 11/11/2023 18:43

Devil horns + puppet master. It'll take you five seconds to google it.

starfleet · 11/11/2023 18:41

Ecdysiast · 11/11/2023 18:35

@NotSoBigCrocodile@ScribblingPixie If the devil horns were on Donald Trump or Joe Biden, would that be anti-Semitic too? Please explain.

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Yes, please explain. I'd be interested to know too.

Ecdysiast · 11/11/2023 18:35

NotSoBigCrocodile · 11/11/2023 18:20

Exactly this.

The ignorance around some of these images is shocking.

@NotSoBigCrocodile@ScribblingPixie If the devil horns were on Donald Trump or Joe Biden, would that be anti-Semitic too? Please explain.

ScribblingPixie · 11/11/2023 18:35

Do you think the people who make them educate themselves as to your opinion first ?

I don't. And, given that the Met have said they're looking for the people holding them, I doubt they educate themselves on the law either.

ScribblingPixie · 11/11/2023 18:33

Surplus2requirements · 11/11/2023 18:09

Then why dont you explain because to me the actions of Netanyahu (and even more so his Security Minister Ben Gvir) are prime examples of evil forces at work.

Not because they are Jewish but because of what they are doing.

So are Hamas.

Educate yourself, ie make an effort yourself.

aswarmofmidges · 11/11/2023 18:32

Do you think the people who make them educate themselves as to your opinion first ?

Educate yourself - look at what people are trying to tell you - that the attacks on Palestine children are despicable and unjustifiable. That the people who order those attacks are demonstrating evil behaviour.

Stop looking for trouble , stop shit stirring. Stop pretending things are what they are not.

NotSoBigCrocodile · 11/11/2023 18:20

ScribblingPixie · 11/11/2023 17:56

No the poster depicting the Israeli leader as evil is not antisemitism- it's a personal attack on the guy who has started this anhiliation

You simply don't understand the sign and why it's antisemitic. You should educate yourself so that you can avoid being part of the problem.

Exactly this.

The ignorance around some of these images is shocking.

Surplus2requirements · 11/11/2023 18:09

ScribblingPixie · 11/11/2023 17:56

No the poster depicting the Israeli leader as evil is not antisemitism- it's a personal attack on the guy who has started this anhiliation

You simply don't understand the sign and why it's antisemitic. You should educate yourself so that you can avoid being part of the problem.

Then why dont you explain because to me the actions of Netanyahu (and even more so his Security Minister Ben Gvir) are prime examples of evil forces at work.

Not because they are Jewish but because of what they are doing.

So are Hamas.

Besmirch · 11/11/2023 18:09

Ibizafun · 11/11/2023 17:44

Besmirch that'll be because there were no heinous acts against defenceless babies to pre -emt that war

Ah don’t pretend you really wanted an answer then. Disingenuous.

Ecdysiast · 11/11/2023 18:08

ScribblingPixie · 11/11/2023 15:03

I really feel for any Jewish people who view this march, as a march against them. In my eyes, it isn’t, and I’m sure in the eyes of many protesters, it is not.

And yet they'll look at the newspapers and see a photo - as I just did - of a protester carrying an antisemitic placard showing Netanyahu with devil horns. And there are hundreds of thousands of people happy to march with this shit. So your words sound just a little bit hollow.

@ScribblingPixie What is anti-Semitic about putting devil horns on a politician who has been accused of fraud, bribery and war crimes?

ScribblingPixie · 11/11/2023 17:56

No the poster depicting the Israeli leader as evil is not antisemitism- it's a personal attack on the guy who has started this anhiliation

You simply don't understand the sign and why it's antisemitic. You should educate yourself so that you can avoid being part of the problem.

EasterIssland · 11/11/2023 17:45

Ibizafun · 11/11/2023 17:32

Would somebody mind explaining to me why the same numbers weren't marching in the UK when Russia invaded Ukraine?

whataboutery… the number of death civilians is higher in Palestine in a month than year and a half in Ukraine

From 24 February 2022, which marked the start of the large-scale armed attack by the Russian Federation, to 10 September 2023, OHCHR recorded 27,149 civilian casualties in the country: 9,614 killed and 17,535 injured.

Ibizafun · 11/11/2023 17:44

Besmirch that'll be because there were no heinous acts against defenceless babies to pre -emt that war

BethDuttonsTwin · 11/11/2023 17:43

Oh dear someone didn't want their fireworks to be taken by the police. Wonder what these peaceful protesters were planning with these 🤔 ? A lovely, cosy, peaceful display at the end of the night with a round of Kumbaya no doubt.

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MissyB1 · 11/11/2023 17:41

Ibizafun · 11/11/2023 17:32

Would somebody mind explaining to me why the same numbers weren't marching in the UK when Russia invaded Ukraine?

For the millionth time, because our Government had not sided with Russia!!!!

NotSoBigCrocodile · 11/11/2023 17:38

aswarmofmidges · 11/11/2023 17:21

Firstly the vast majority of people are not doing anything that any sane person would view as calling for death to Jewish people

No the poster depicting the Israeli leader as evil is not antisemitism- it's a personal attack on the guy who has started this anhiliation

Not all Jews support his actions by a long way

I as to the poster lining Palestine to nazi German - there are Germans and Jews who do feel that the treatment today of the Palestinians is not far short of the treatment of the Jews in Germany in the 1930s and 1940s which is perhaps why they are highlighting the parallels - it's not to me saying Jews belong in auschwitch - it's saying what the Jews are doing today is like what was done to them in the past

it's saying what the Jews are doing today is like what was done to them in the past

But it’s absolutely nothing like what was done to them in the past, though.

The Nazis were rounding up Jewish people all over the entire continent, transporting them on trains and directly exterminating them on an industrial scale in gas chambers.

There is no parallel. So as far as I can see, any attempt to draw a parallel serves simply to minimise one of the worst atrocities committed in living memory. I can see no other purpose of the comparison, because there isn’t one.

Besmirch · 11/11/2023 17:35

Ibizafun · 11/11/2023 17:32

Would somebody mind explaining to me why the same numbers weren't marching in the UK when Russia invaded Ukraine?

Because the UK government didn’t say they wanted Russia to win.

Ibizafun · 11/11/2023 17:32

Would somebody mind explaining to me why the same numbers weren't marching in the UK when Russia invaded Ukraine?

SquirmOfEels · 11/11/2023 17:31

Hamas is a proscribed organisation, and the Met has said they are seeking to confirm reports of the wearing of headbands/other insignia and then to identify and arrest. And that's totally right.

The vast majority in this vast demonstration are not doing any such things

More EDL types have been arrested today than the total number of arrests in all the Palestine marches to date.

aswarmofmidges · 11/11/2023 17:21

Firstly the vast majority of people are not doing anything that any sane person would view as calling for death to Jewish people

No the poster depicting the Israeli leader as evil is not antisemitism- it's a personal attack on the guy who has started this anhiliation

Not all Jews support his actions by a long way

I as to the poster lining Palestine to nazi German - there are Germans and Jews who do feel that the treatment today of the Palestinians is not far short of the treatment of the Jews in Germany in the 1930s and 1940s which is perhaps why they are highlighting the parallels - it's not to me saying Jews belong in auschwitch - it's saying what the Jews are doing today is like what was done to them in the past

ScribblingPixie · 11/11/2023 17:11

But holding up a sign that says Palestine is twinned with Auschwitz is antisemitic. A placard depicting Netanyahu with devil horns and the words 'the puppet master' is antisemitic. Chanting for the destruction of Israel is supporting mass murder of Israelis. Wearing Hamas headbands is supporting mass murder of Israelis etc etc etc.

aswarmofmidges · 11/11/2023 17:05

It's telling that anything calling for a free Palestine is automatically assumed to be anti semetic

Freedom for Palestine does not require the killing of all Jews and the destruction of Israel

Logic fails

ScribblingPixie · 11/11/2023 17:00

Right wing thugs are always shits. But that doesn't make the racist, antisemitic placards and genocidal chanting that is all over Twitter from the pro-Palestine march any less sinister. Not physically fighting with police doesn't mean that your intentions or your march are peaceful.

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