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People who don't support ceasefire

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Inauthentic · 09/11/2023 23:21

and back Israel's bombing of Gaza.

Are they racist?

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Smugandproud · 10/11/2023 01:14

SammyScrounge · 10/11/2023 01:08

I look at him and see the man who doesn't know what a woman.is but does know that
women can have penises.
How can anyone take this fool seriously?

He knows, he just plays the game because he wants to be pm one day.

SammyScrounge · 10/11/2023 01:08

I look at him and see the man who doesn't know what a woman.is but does know that
women can have penises.
How can anyone take this fool seriously?

MableT · 10/11/2023 01:00

Inauthentic · 10/11/2023 00:56

Yes, I mean against Muslim.

I dont mean politicians, I mean an Average Joe

People who support bombing of Gaza perceive Palestinian life as less valuable.
But why?

I was atounded by lack of empathy, here on Mumsnet, by significant minority of posters.

And that made me think how much of being in support of bombing is driven by being racist?
Clearly, you don't value all human lives equally.

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Why are you simplifying matters by saying people are supporting bombing and therefore they are racist?

shoeawsome · 10/11/2023 01:00

But just because I as a person on the street am not calling for a ceasefire isn't because I support the bombing or because I'm racist!

It's because me calling for a ceasefire won't make a blooming bit of difference to anything!

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Inauthentic · 10/11/2023 00:56

Yes, I mean against Muslim.

I dont mean politicians, I mean an Average Joe

People who support bombing of Gaza perceive Palestinian life as less valuable.
But why?

I was atounded by lack of empathy, here on Mumsnet, by significant minority of posters.

And that made me think how much of being in support of bombing is driven by being racist?
Clearly, you don't value all human lives equally.

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WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 10/11/2023 00:45

MrsTerryPratchett · 10/11/2023 00:26

Some of those who support a ceasefire probably are racist.

This emotive, one-sided, ad hominem stuff is getting wearing.

Adults need to stop soundbite, divisive 'goodies and baddies' shit and work out a difficult solution. Politics has become more and more polarised and divisive. Not just on this issue.

It's CLEAR that the attacks on 7th October were brutal and indefensible but have antecedents. It's CLEAR that the current attacks on Gaza are brutal and indefensible but have antecedents. Understanding the antecedents is adult and is NOT the same as excusing the actions.

People who hate Jews and people who hate Muslims (and many people who hate both) are fanning the flames and laughing.

A ceasefire is right because thousands of children aren't 'collateral'. But with the right wing psychos on one 'side' and Hamas and their backers on the other, the rest of the world needs to support neither of them with anything other than humanitarian aid and support for cooperation and democratic process. The only 'side' anyone should be on is peace, children, non-combatants and equity.

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I’m not sure you’ve said anything in that post that disputes the likelihood that calls for a ceasefire are intended to hobble Israel from defending itself and ridding the region of a racist death cult sponsored by Iran. But there you go.

Creatingusernamesismygame · 10/11/2023 00:43

MrsTerryPratchett · 10/11/2023 00:26

Some of those who support a ceasefire probably are racist.

This emotive, one-sided, ad hominem stuff is getting wearing.

Adults need to stop soundbite, divisive 'goodies and baddies' shit and work out a difficult solution. Politics has become more and more polarised and divisive. Not just on this issue.

It's CLEAR that the attacks on 7th October were brutal and indefensible but have antecedents. It's CLEAR that the current attacks on Gaza are brutal and indefensible but have antecedents. Understanding the antecedents is adult and is NOT the same as excusing the actions.

People who hate Jews and people who hate Muslims (and many people who hate both) are fanning the flames and laughing.

A ceasefire is right because thousands of children aren't 'collateral'. But with the right wing psychos on one 'side' and Hamas and their backers on the other, the rest of the world needs to support neither of them with anything other than humanitarian aid and support for cooperation and democratic process. The only 'side' anyone should be on is peace, children, non-combatants and equity.

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Excellent post. Thanks

VeronicaSawyer89 · 10/11/2023 00:40

Inauthentic · 09/11/2023 23:21

and back Israel's bombing of Gaza.

Are they racist?

People that chant "from the river to the sea..." are they antisemitic? See how that works OP?

Smugandproud · 10/11/2023 00:36

There won't be a ceasefire whilst Hamas have Jewish hostages so what would be the point of supporting one.
Hamas need to return the hostages now, all of them and then Israel won't need to bomb civilians because they'll flood all of the tunnels and capture the terrorists as they leave.
It's in Hamas' hands.

MrsTerryPratchett · 10/11/2023 00:26

WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 10/11/2023 00:07

Are those who support a ceasefire racist? Do they want to stop Israel defending itself? Do they want the Jewish homeland, and Jews, to be easier targets for racist terrorist maniacs?

Tricky stuff, OP, tricky stuff.

Some of those who support a ceasefire probably are racist.

This emotive, one-sided, ad hominem stuff is getting wearing.

Adults need to stop soundbite, divisive 'goodies and baddies' shit and work out a difficult solution. Politics has become more and more polarised and divisive. Not just on this issue.

It's CLEAR that the attacks on 7th October were brutal and indefensible but have antecedents. It's CLEAR that the current attacks on Gaza are brutal and indefensible but have antecedents. Understanding the antecedents is adult and is NOT the same as excusing the actions.

People who hate Jews and people who hate Muslims (and many people who hate both) are fanning the flames and laughing.

A ceasefire is right because thousands of children aren't 'collateral'. But with the right wing psychos on one 'side' and Hamas and their backers on the other, the rest of the world needs to support neither of them with anything other than humanitarian aid and support for cooperation and democratic process. The only 'side' anyone should be on is peace, children, non-combatants and equity.

shoeawsome · 10/11/2023 00:24

What do you think 'supporting a ceasefire' will actually achieve?

Do you think that if every person in the uk' called for a ceasefire' it would make a scrap of difference to anything?

I don't know how we have all got sucked in to this narrative!

I hate that people, children are dying in Gaza, I hate that people, children have died/are dying in Israel!

Whether, me, Kier Starmer, Rishi Sunak, the King, all of jump up & down & demand a ceasefire won't change a single thing!

So no I don't think it's racist!

keffie12 · 10/11/2023 00:10

Inauthentic · 09/11/2023 23:38

Agree. Keir Starmer is an opportunist.
An empty vessel.

No, his wife is a Jew so he will be thinking on different lines.

As for him being an empty vessel. No, he isn't. Listen to the podcast with him. He will surprise you.

Decent, quiet man who has a lot more behind him than you think.

Prove me wrong and listen to it as rare people do who are asked to look at something.

If you want to carry on with the Tories rather than change, then you have to be a Tory elite.

The only way to vote next year is by tactical vote

podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/keir-starmer/id1454408831?i=1000552160665

WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 10/11/2023 00:07

Are those who support a ceasefire racist? Do they want to stop Israel defending itself? Do they want the Jewish homeland, and Jews, to be easier targets for racist terrorist maniacs?

Tricky stuff, OP, tricky stuff.

MrsTerryPratchett · 10/11/2023 00:01

Ballsbaill · 09/11/2023 23:47

I'm not sure why it's any of our business.

Does it also bother you that human rights abuses are still being committed in Ethiopia’s northern Tigray region more than 10 months after a ceasefire?

All the 'what about Sudan, China, ME, Ethiopia?' people? You can start a thread. Easily.

Ballsbaill · 09/11/2023 23:47

I'm not sure why it's any of our business.

Does it also bother you that human rights abuses are still being committed in Ethiopia’s northern Tigray region more than 10 months after a ceasefire?

MrsTerryPratchett · 09/11/2023 23:42

Against Muslims you mean?

Some of them, probably.

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Inauthentic · 09/11/2023 23:38

Agree. Keir Starmer is an opportunist.
An empty vessel.

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MajesticWhine · 09/11/2023 23:27

Like Keir Starmer? Um probably not.