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Conflict in the Middle East

People who don't support ceasefire

169 replies

Inauthentic · 09/11/2023 23:21

and back Israel's bombing of Gaza.

Are they racist?

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Alcemeg · 10/11/2023 18:07

keffie12 · 10/11/2023 17:43

No, she is a Jew. Their children are being bought up Jewish, too. Here is a link about it

www.timesofisrael.com/uk-labour-leader-starmer-opens-up-about-his-familys-jewish-traditions/

There was a thread about this that was rightly deleted. The implications of having a Jewish wife...?! Controlling a politician...? I'm not Jewish, and like him am an adult with the capacity to form my own views.

yellowgingham8 · 10/11/2023 18:02

Neriah · 10/11/2023 18:00

Is entirely possible to not support a ceasefire and also not support bombing Gaza. But then you'd have to be open to complex discussions, and too many people are currently too hung up on being on one side of the other. On that basis much of the debate is as polarised, and therefore as bad, as the situation they are discussing.

Genuinely curious. If you don't think Israel should have gone into Gaza, how exactly do you propose they go about eliminating Hamas?
Doing nothing would be suicidal. So what should they have done?

yumyum33 · 10/11/2023 18:02

Smugandproud · 10/11/2023 00:36

There won't be a ceasefire whilst Hamas have Jewish hostages so what would be the point of supporting one.
Hamas need to return the hostages now, all of them and then Israel won't need to bomb civilians because they'll flood all of the tunnels and capture the terrorists as they leave.
It's in Hamas' hands.

This. absolutely this.

yumyum33 · 10/11/2023 18:01

Inauthentic · 09/11/2023 23:21

and back Israel's bombing of Gaza.

Are they racist?

No.

Neriah · 10/11/2023 18:00

Inauthentic · 09/11/2023 23:21

and back Israel's bombing of Gaza.

Are they racist?

Is entirely possible to not support a ceasefire and also not support bombing Gaza. But then you'd have to be open to complex discussions, and too many people are currently too hung up on being on one side of the other. On that basis much of the debate is as polarised, and therefore as bad, as the situation they are discussing.

Parkingt111 · 10/11/2023 17:54

MableT · 10/11/2023 17:02

The OP still hasn't confirmed whether she supports Hamas, since she makes a few of her own suppositions.

What do you mean? She posted it straight after you asked
It's in the next post after your question

TakeMe2Insanity · 10/11/2023 17:50

MableT · 10/11/2023 17:02

The OP still hasn't confirmed whether she supports Hamas, since she makes a few of her own suppositions.

Why is the first question for Palestinian supporters, “do you support hamas?”. Yawn.

keffie12 · 10/11/2023 17:43

bluedelphiniums · 10/11/2023 17:00

@keffie12 I thought his wife was Hindu?

No, she is a Jew. Their children are being bought up Jewish, too. Here is a link about it

www.timesofisrael.com/uk-labour-leader-starmer-opens-up-about-his-familys-jewish-traditions/

lyingonthebeach · 10/11/2023 17:09

@Alcemeg @VisitationRights Thank you. I totally agree and it's so good to see people standing up for Jewish people

MableT · 10/11/2023 17:02

The OP still hasn't confirmed whether she supports Hamas, since she makes a few of her own suppositions.

bluedelphiniums · 10/11/2023 17:00

@keffie12 I thought his wife was Hindu?

aswarmofmidges · 10/11/2023 16:51

The acceptable number of Palestinian deaths is exactly the same as the acceptable number of Jewish deaths -0

Currently running 10 Palestinians for every Jewish death

Alcemeg · 10/11/2023 16:29

@VisitationRights
So how many Israeli deaths are acceptable, how many more times do we let a regroup by Hamas so they can launch more attacks? Are you racist, OP, do you hate Jews and don’t consider them human? Why do you want to let Hamas kill Israelis?
Quite. Not that anyone takes any notice, but thank you for expressing it so clearly. Flowers

lyingonthebeach · 10/11/2023 16:28

Well said. Thank you

yellowgingham8 · 10/11/2023 16:25

They're the opposite of racist. They believe that it's not a good idea to let Jews be killed and the Jewish homeland destroyed. And so when an anti-semitic organisation seeks to do that, they won't just sit around and let themselves be tortured/killed/raped.

Namechangeagain2023 · 10/11/2023 16:23

Humdingerydoo · 10/11/2023 08:35

And just one more comment on all this before I take a few days off as the hate on here is really getting to me -

I have seen so many posters on here saying "just because we support Palestinians doesn't mean we support Hamas. However, their actions are understandable as they've been oppressed for so long". Or words to this effect. Basically, the Israeli deaths last month were collateral damage in their fight for freedom.

Why can't pro-Israelis have that same benefit of the doubt? We don't support the killing of innocent people, we just support Israel's right to exist. In order to exist, it needs to defend itself against, amongst others, Hamas.

It doesn't mean we necessarily support anything else going on in Israel such as settlers in the West Bank. It doesn't mean we are glad they're bombing Gaza. It just means we support Israel in its fight against Hamas and other terrorists.

It sure as hell doesn't make us racist or value some lives more than others. We don't. At least in my case (I obviously can't speak for everyone else) I look forward to there one day being a Palestinian state next to Israel, and them living in peace, side by side. That's what I want. That just will never happen with Hamas or other terrorists around. It also seemingly won't happen with Netanyahu around, so he needs to go too.

Perfect response

Merrymouse · 10/11/2023 16:15

It’s easy to ask Biden to call for a cease fire.

More difficult to negotiate with the parties involved.

Parkingt111 · 10/11/2023 15:43

Support for a ceasefire is significantly increasing, those who died today could have been saved If there was a ceasefire yesterday

More than 1,000 officials at the US Agency for international development (USAID) have signed an open letter urging the Biden administration to call for an immediate ceasefire in the war between Israel and Hamas, according to a copy of the letter seen by Reuters.

MableT · 10/11/2023 15:33

I actually don't mind Starmer. He's a big improvement on Corbyn. Not that I will vote Labour but he's trying to move the party back to the centre, with much resistance. Off topic, sorry.

Merrymouse · 10/11/2023 13:23

Inauthentic · 09/11/2023 23:21

and back Israel's bombing of Gaza.

Are they racist?

No, realist.

Demands for a ceasefire that will just be refused won’t help Palestinians.

Inauthentic · 10/11/2023 13:14

@Humdingerydoo
I missed you earlier post, sorry.
(I didn't realise you were the same person)

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VisitationRights · 10/11/2023 13:11

Hamas are terrorists and have never and will never respect a ceasefire. Their stated aim and purpose is to wipe out the Jews and set up a caliphate. They will use any ceasefire to regroup, gather their weapons and launch more attacks.

Hamas are responsible for the heavy casualties of the Palestinians, they have stated how wonderful it is to be a martyr, how ‘progress’ can’t be made without sacrifice, and that they are willing to sacrifice the Palestinians for their above stated aims.

When asked why they didn’t build a single bomb shelter for the civilians of Gaza or share their stores of food, water, medical supplies, fuel, or open their tunnels they say that it is not their responsibility to support the civilians of Gaza, that is up to Israel And the UN.

Hamas has also launched over 10000 rockets into Israel since the 7th October, approximately 10% of their rockets fail and fall on Gazans. They have caused utter devastation to Gaza. They also target Israeli civilians, schools, and hospitals. They are a death cult. They won’t respect a ceasefire. They will continue to embed themselves with civilians and keep civilian from leaving.

So how many Israeli deaths are acceptable, how many more times do we let a regroup by Hamas so they can launch more attacks? Are you racist, OP, do you hate Jews and don’t consider them human? Why do you want to let Hamas kill Israelis?

tescocreditcard · 10/11/2023 12:46

I don't support a ceasefire because Israel need to get in, get Hamas, and get out. As quickly as possible to limit civilian casualty's. A ceasefire holds no military advantange for israel.

Lulooo · 10/11/2023 12:43

No, they’re concerned for humanity.