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‘From the river to the sea’: What does the Palestinian slogan really mean?

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Ohlalalalala · 09/11/2023 19:10

"In an extended interview with UnHerd this week, Israeli Ambassador to the UK Tzipi Hotovely was confronted with a historic statement in which she claimed that “between the sea and the Jordan River, there needs to be one state, only the state of Israel.” Despite referencing the rhyme back in 2015, when making the case for a one-state solution to the Israel-Palestine conflict, Hotovely maintained that “from the river to the sea” is a genocidal chant when used by pro-Palestine protesters. "

https://unherd.com/thepost/israeli-ambassador-debates-from-the-river-to-the-sea/#:~:text=In%20an%20extended%20interview%20with,2015%2C%20when%20making%20the%20case

Her explanation about why it's OK for her to say it but not for others is simply 😳

This is a good explanatory article about the true meaning:

‘From the river to the sea’: What does the Palestinian slogan really mean?

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/2/from-the-river-to-the-sea-what-does-the-palestinian-slogan-really-mean

“It’s important to remember this chant is in English and it doesn’t rhyme in Arabic, it is used in demonstrations in Western countries,” he said. “The controversy has been fabricated to prevent solidarity in the West with the Palestinians.”

‘From the river to the sea’: What does the Palestinian slogan really mean?

Critics have called its use anti-Semitic amid Israel’s war on Gaza. But the slogan has more complex roots.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/2/from-the-river-to-the-sea-what-does-the-palestinian-slogan-really-mean

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MableT · 09/11/2023 23:13

Toothyfruity · 09/11/2023 23:13

They're being killed because they're Palestinians and Israel is taking over their land.

Nope. Incorrect.

Toothyfruity · 09/11/2023 23:13

MableT · 09/11/2023 23:11

Genocide isn't taking place in Gaza. Palestinians are being killed despite their religion/race, not because of it.

They're being killed because they're Palestinians and Israel is taking over their land.

1dayatatime · 09/11/2023 23:11

@Ohlalalalala

"GetTheWinterQuiltOut
its boring to read threads where you just copied and pasted out of articles. Got any thoughts of your own there?

Why did you come to this thread then?"

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Maybe to point out that rather than create a genuinely informative thread of explaining "from the river to the sea" all you really did was to copy and paste articles without any thoughts of your own in order to create traffic and whip up division.

Bit pathetic and pointless really isn't it?

MableT · 09/11/2023 23:11

Toothyfruity · 09/11/2023 23:09

But wait...the UK doesn't sponsor genocide in those places.

Genocide isn't taking place in Gaza. Palestinians are being killed despite their religion/race, not because of it.

Toothyfruity · 09/11/2023 23:09

But wait...the UK doesn't sponsor genocide in those places.

Pennina · 09/11/2023 23:08

PurpleChrayne · 09/11/2023 22:06

Aren't you exhausted by this mud-slinging at Israel?

Because I am.

Thread after thread after thread.

Can you move on to one of the other conflicts raging at the moment? Sudan? Pakistan?

Please.

I ask myself that too, where are all the protests about human rights abuses in Middle Eastern countries, China and the war in Ukraine. Funny they do not attract huge protest marches. .... oh but wait ...

MableT · 09/11/2023 23:08

TakeMe2Insanity · 09/11/2023 23:05

Better than some of the other threads on here.

Nah nah nah nah nah
Is what's missing from the end of your post. Heavens, the immaturity.

The chant's meaning is unambiguous yet that doesn't stop more harassment goes it OP?

Toothyfruity · 09/11/2023 23:08

When certain high profile Zionists are claiming that the slogan has genocidal intent, when it does not, I think a thread discussing it is reasonable.

A previous poster telling the OP to post about Sudan instead because they don't like the information presented is quite funny though.

TakeMe2Insanity · 09/11/2023 23:05

Better than some of the other threads on here.

Ohlalalalala · 09/11/2023 23:02

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Why did you come to this thread then?

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Ohlalalalala · 09/11/2023 22:08

PurpleChrayne · 09/11/2023 22:06

Aren't you exhausted by this mud-slinging at Israel?

Because I am.

Thread after thread after thread.

Can you move on to one of the other conflicts raging at the moment? Sudan? Pakistan?

Please.

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‘From the river to the sea’: What does the Palestinian slogan really mean?
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PurpleChrayne · 09/11/2023 22:06

Aren't you exhausted by this mud-slinging at Israel?

Because I am.

Thread after thread after thread.

Can you move on to one of the other conflicts raging at the moment? Sudan? Pakistan?

Please.

Ohlalalalala · 09/11/2023 19:36

Israel's new deputy foreign minister: 'This land is ours. All of it is ours'
(2015)

Israel’s new deputy foreign minister on Thursday delivered a defiant message to the international community, saying that Israel owes no apologies for its policies in the Holy Land and citing religious texts to back her belief that it belongs to the Jewish people.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/22/israels-new-deputy-foreign-minister-this-land-is-ours-all-of-it-is-ours

Israel's new deputy foreign minister: 'This land is ours. All of it is ours'

Tzipi Hotovely gives speech to Israeli diplomats in which she says she will try to achieve global recognition for West Bank settlements

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/22/israels-new-deputy-foreign-minister-this-land-is-ours-all-of-it-is-ours

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