I have a question about Palestinian children.

Sure, whatever you want to tell yourself.

@25milesfromhome
I am not interested in pointing fingers or trying to shame specific individuals. If someone says something racist, I will address what they've said without personally attacking them. So if I write "some people on MN have said..." it's because I'm focusing on WHAT they said, not who they are. I think this is consistent with MN talk guidelines, but more than that it's just common decency. If you consider that to be lying or exaggerating so be it.

Let me get this straight. You think it's hate speech to say hatred of Jews is in "the DNA" of every Palestinian, but it's perfectly acceptable to say it's in the DNA of every Gazan???

Keep trying. You said Others on MN have said this hatred of Jews is in "the DNA" of every Palestinian. It was one person who specifically said Gazan DNA, not every Palestinian as you claimed. You don’t need to lie or exaggerate and faux outrage is also not required.

I didn’t realise you could mind read but I’ve not actually seen anyone on Mumsnet claim “they [who exactly?] were born to kill Jews” so this appears to be a belief you’ve come up with all by yourself. A racist idea indeed.

@25milesfromhome Let me get this straight. You think it's hate speech to say hatred of Jews is in "the DNA" of every Palestinian, but it's perfectly acceptable to say it's in the DNA of every Gazan???

And just to clarify, this racist idea of "they were born to kill Jews" is not something that one sole Mumsnetter believes. It is a racist idea that is much more widespread than that, and a way of dehumanising an entire population and justifying ethnic cleansing.

@Lucylou876 you have just confirmed my argument in your first line.
The rest I am struggling to understand.....

I really hope you are right.

I think we should probably stop feeding the troll here, but...

Israel tends not to share images of the dead, out of respect for them and their families.

You might find this interesting
Kugel also explained that the age range of the victims spans from 3 months to 80 or 90 years old. Many bodies, including those of babies, are without heads.
Asked if they were decapitated, Kugel answered yes. Although he admits that, given the circumstances, it’s difficult to ascertain whether they were decapitated before or after death, as well as how they were beheaded, “whether cut off by knife or blown off by RPG,” he explained.

https://themedialine.org/top-stories/evidence-on-display-at-israels-forensic-pathology-center-confirms-hamas-atrocities/

Yes; and yet some people do manage to end the cycle in their own lives, such as Mosab Hassan Yousef.

I know, it's so sad. That's why I can't see an end to all this, traumatised children will grow into traumatised adults (on both sides) who will continue the next generation of fighting. Annecdotally I have a friend who grew up alongside a lot of Bosnian children (not UK) and sadly there were a lot of "issues" for the locals caused by the trauma these poor children had seen

@Lucylou876 I never get this argument. Children and adults were minus their heads. No heads. Their heads had become separated from their bodies. Like that nice Thai man..... a Hamas gentlemen took it off with a garden implement whilst he was still alive.... on social media.
They couldn't conclusively say when the heads had been removed as they were then burnt.
Are children minus heads not enough for you? You want conclusive evidence of how they became headless.
As If dead babies would be the line you draw....
Shameful

Can you be more specific, please?

One. One person said this. It was rightly reported and deleted. And it referred to Gazans. You know this.
I can never quite work out what you’re getting at, with all this talk of “Others on MN” and “Some on MN” (is there some commonality between these posters you always object to?) often paired with sweeping generalisations, historical revisionism, prejudice or complete falsity and a complaint that free speech these days just ain’t what it used to be.

Except the Israel-Palestine conflict is not about Jews Vs Muslims. It's about land.

This.

The next generation of traumatised, angry and vengeful people has been created. It’s utterly tragic . I was in Israel in the 80s and was shocked to see Palestinian and Israeli children stood in the road, throwing stones at each other. Both brought up to hate the other.

I’m Jewish and my family left Lithuania during the pogroms. The ones who couldn’t get out, were killed. The mental health issues caused by the fear, trauma, uncertainty etc, have rippled through the generations on both sides of the family, to the present day - anxiety disorders, depression, OCD, poor physical health, ADHD.

Unless extremists on both sides are prepared to acknowledge the rights of each other, this will never end. Just a constant needless stoking of horror, hatred, trauma, poverty, life changing injury and death, thanks to the intransigence of leaders brought up with all those things.

Yes this defies Israel more than anything there's no evidence of beheaded babies. Whereas whats happening in gaza and the west bank IDF raiding homes killng palestinians. You have government officials of Israel calling for the flattening of gaza when half of the population are children. The nurse who travelled back from gaza hearing her account

Hope you know that this applies to Israel as well as Palestine

Absolutely. And not living in fear of being hunted down for hours, raped, tortured, burned alive, beheaded, mutilated, and all this livestreamed on social media.

I can't pretend to understand the long and complicated history of mutual hatred, but I think this sort of attitude is to some extent explained by (a) the ferocious savagery of the 7 Oct massacre; (b) enthusiastic participation in it of what appear to be ordinary Gazans; (c) jubilant celebration of it in the streets of Gaza and around the world; and (d) the apparent absence of any Palestinian "Not in my name!" denouncement.

Of course, it could be an entirely unfounded prejudice; I'm just pointing to how such notions, however unfair, might arise.

I think there were three things in this exchange. The first is that most Muslims, and most Palestinians, are not inherently 'jihadist'. That's definitely true. There's no reason Muslims and Jews cannot live peacefuly - the 20% of the Israeli population that is Arab/Palestinian, do (this is separate from the people living in the West Bank). Muslims defended Jewish families on October 7th in Israel.

The second is that it was only after the creation of Israel that Jews were seriously threatened in the middle east. That definitely isn't true - though it did become much worse.

The third is whether 'jihadists' (which is not the term that would have been used) - by which I assume we mean people who are extreme in their religious ideology and see violence as a core method of achieving their aims - have always existed. Yes, though whether they're a small minority or actually part of a state changes over time. The Ottoman empire was a force for stability and control.

I understood your post@iap , and thanks for posting. But my original comment was in response to @EsmaCannonball 's claim that the region has always been full of "committed jihadists" whose only interest in life is to kill Jews. Others on MN have said this hatred of Jews is in "the DNA" of every Palestinian.

no...I think you may not have understood my post.

@iap So the Ottoman Empire was a group of "committed jihadists"?