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UN's Guterres: Gaza deaths show something "clearly wrong" with Israel operation

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Ohlalalalala · 08/11/2023 16:35

In an interview with Reuters, United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres said on Wednesday that the number of civilians killed in the Gaza Strip shows that there is something "clearly wrong" with Israel's military operations in Gaza.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/reuters-next-un-chief-says-gaza-deaths-show-something-wrong-with-israel-2023-11-08/

This is a very mild criticism of the genociders. Baby steps.

United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres speaks at the ReutersNEXT Newsmaker event in New York City, New York, U.S., November 8, 2023. REUTERS/Brendan McDermid

UN chief says Gaza deaths show something 'wrong' with Israel operation

United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres said on Wednesday that the number of civilians killed in the Gaza Strip shows that there is something "clearly wrong" with Israel's military operations against Hamas Palestinian militants.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/reuters-next-un-chief-says-gaza-deaths-show-something-wrong-with-israel-2023-11-08

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Reallifelurker · 08/11/2023 17:30

Every single person/ entity that criticises Israel must be antisemitic, even Jewish people themselves (I was actually told this here on mumsnet)

And it’s hardly an echo chamber. I have definitely come across several posters with views that are opposed to mine 😂

NmeChngeFail · 08/11/2023 17:30

WatTyler · 08/11/2023 17:11

The UN is dominated by anti-Semites and nothing it has to say is worth listening to, and it certainly cuts no ice with Israel. The only genocide being planned is of the Israelis by Hamas. as stated in their founding Covenant: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/hamas-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602/
If Hamas released the prisoners tomorrow, returned the bodies of those they have already killed and laid down their arms, the IDF would not kill another Palestinian. They have no wish to kill non-combatant Palestinians, but if Hamas persists in using them as human shields, it is inevitable.
Hamas will not give up, so Israel will have to destroy them.
There will be no ceasefire.

This is a lie. Pre Oct 7th the IDF were killing innocent Palestinians and if Oct 7th didn't happen they still would've been.

In the past month the Israeli government has kidnapped more Palestinian hostages than those Hamas took. This is not being mentioned in the media.

The IDF are helping illegal, crazed, settlers take land and force evictions in the West Bank, they were also doing this pre Oct 7th.

Israel has precise military weapons yet they open plan bomb a city to catch a few targets. They bombed a hospital and then said it was a mistake and the target wasn't there.

They are trained and taught that all Palestinians from a young age hate Israelis and want to kill them, when this is just racist propaganda.

You can see interviews with top IDF commanders instructing the soldiers to kill everyone and that the only innocent people are the hostages.

What they say is what's being played out.

I wouldn't be suprised if there are plants on this forum.

Famous TikTokers and YouTubers have posted evidence that they were being offered and turned down £5000 to promote pro IDF propaganda.

You can also view the ridiculous Israeli YouTube adverts that must've cost millions to place.

Also listen to the interviews of the hostages and escapees who say that their own soliders shot hostages.

Ohlalalalala · 08/11/2023 17:28

Parkingt111 · 08/11/2023 17:25

Most amount of UN workers ever killed in a conflict since its inception

Unbelievable, isn't it? Such impunity the like of which I never thought possible.

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Parkingt111 · 08/11/2023 17:25

Most amount of UN workers ever killed in a conflict since its inception

UN's Guterres: Gaza deaths show something "clearly wrong" with Israel operation
MotherofPearl · 08/11/2023 17:24

The UN is dominated by anti-Semites and nothing it has to say is worth listening to

Can you please supply some evidence to support this allegation?

Ohlalalalala · 08/11/2023 17:23

@notsoready4school @Reallifelurker Thanks for your input.

@WatTyler but of course! 🙄

Every single person/ entity that criticises Israel must be antisemitic, even Jewish people themselves (I was actually told this here on mumsnet)!

Israel is the UN member which broke/ disregarded the most UN laws/ resolutions. It acts with total impunity and disregard to international law. And every "leader" knows that, but for various reasons (being branded antisemitic being one) they are not forthright in their criticism.

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BethDuttonsTwin · 08/11/2023 17:23

Reallifelurker · 08/11/2023 17:20

No most of the world don't agree that it's wrong. There are tons of opposing views. You're just stuck in the echo chamber of Mumsnet thinking the whole world must agree with your "goodness" and that you're all on the same, hand wringing, competitive caring page
🙄

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queenofarles · 08/11/2023 17:22

If Hamas released the prisoners tomorrow, returned the bodies of those they have already killed and laid down their arms, the IDF would not kill another Palestinian.
I don’t believe that and I think neither do you,
Natenyahu stated recently that they will "over see Gazas security" when Hamas is gone only for Blinken to dismiss it, so make what you think of this , but it’s clear Hamas is just an excuse .

Parkingt111 · 08/11/2023 17:21

WatTyler · 08/11/2023 17:11

The UN is dominated by anti-Semites and nothing it has to say is worth listening to, and it certainly cuts no ice with Israel. The only genocide being planned is of the Israelis by Hamas. as stated in their founding Covenant: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/hamas-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602/
If Hamas released the prisoners tomorrow, returned the bodies of those they have already killed and laid down their arms, the IDF would not kill another Palestinian. They have no wish to kill non-combatant Palestinians, but if Hamas persists in using them as human shields, it is inevitable.
Hamas will not give up, so Israel will have to destroy them.
There will be no ceasefire.

Not true that they will not kill another palestinian
They have been killing loads especially in the west bank way before this war started

Reallifelurker · 08/11/2023 17:20

No most of the world don't agree that it's wrong. There are tons of opposing views. You're just stuck in the echo chamber of Mumsnet thinking the whole world must agree with your "goodness" and that you're all on the same, hand wringing, competitive caring page
🙄

savvy7 · 08/11/2023 17:19

Who are these anti-semites dominating the UN please?

Reallifelurker · 08/11/2023 17:18

They have no wish to kill non-combatant Palestinians, but if Hamas persists in using them as human shields, it is inevitable.
Hamas will not give up, so Israel will have to destroy them.
There will be no ceasefire.
Hmm

BethDuttonsTwin · 08/11/2023 17:17

it won’t matter what he says, the majority of the world knows it is wrong but unfortunately they are the ones without the power and in some cases courage to do

No most of the world don't agree that it's wrong. There are tons of opposing views. You're just stuck in the echo chamber of Mumsnet thinking the whole world must agree with your "goodness" and that you're all on the same, hand wringing, competitive caring page

😩😩😩😩 <- MNetters.

@WatTyler absolutely spot on.

WatTyler · 08/11/2023 17:11

The UN is dominated by anti-Semites and nothing it has to say is worth listening to, and it certainly cuts no ice with Israel. The only genocide being planned is of the Israelis by Hamas. as stated in their founding Covenant: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/hamas-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602/
If Hamas released the prisoners tomorrow, returned the bodies of those they have already killed and laid down their arms, the IDF would not kill another Palestinian. They have no wish to kill non-combatant Palestinians, but if Hamas persists in using them as human shields, it is inevitable.
Hamas will not give up, so Israel will have to destroy them.
There will be no ceasefire.

Understanding Hamas’s Genocidal Ideology

A close read of Hamas’s founding documents clearly shows its intentions.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/hamas-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602

Reallifelurker · 08/11/2023 17:09

It’s telling that the US are openly criticising Israel even if it’s only mild criticism. It’s a bigger deal than it may seem.

notsoready4school · 08/11/2023 16:58

I just don’t know what we can do. The people who have opened their eyes can see it is unquestionably wrong and the people who have decided they don’t care just don’t care it’s wrong.

it won’t matter what he says, the majority of the world knows it is wrong but unfortunately they are the ones without the power and in some cases courage to do anything. The ones with the power just don’t care enough as they have eaten lobbying funds for so long they are in no place to call it what it is.

It’s all just sad

you will just have the same blindfolded posters driven by revenge posting on this