Genocide

Hamas, according to the charter have never said they want to annihilate all Jews. It's only posters on these threads who are insisting upon this.

They are really not intesrested in getting them back. We slam Hamas for sacrificing their civilians for their own gains and Israel is no different. No one bombs an area holding their citizens indiscriminately unless they have already marked them as collateral damage. Israel is worse really because they actually could have negotiated for the release of their hostages and didn't bother.

The more i read your statement the more imbecilic it sounds. Who bombs the area having the hostages it wants?

Reality is if Israel gets the hostages it will lose some of the seemingly moral reasoning for waging the war and then how will people like you actually say we will not stop bombing till you return the hostages and reveal the size of your brain

What about the 10,000 hostages of Palestinians in Israel who have been incarcerated without a trial? Or. Maybe the 10,000 dead civilians in Gaza right now or the fact the whole of Gaza have been treated as caged animals or do none of there human rights count🤔

The Nazis didn't do a genocide, because there are more Jews today than in the past.

Worldwide there were 1.5 million Jews more in 1939 than there were last year.

1. No there aren't. There are still less Jews in the world than there were in 1939

1. At the time the worlds Jewish population was nearly halved.

That is a genocide.

So you're just spouting rubbish

Have you heard of human shields?

If Israel is commiting genocide they've done a shit job considering the palastinian population has more than doubled in the 17 years since they started. It took the UK population 150 years to double by the way.

And no one whose condemning Israel has yet to give me any sort of other method for dealing with terrorists like Hamas other than "sit down and talk" with people who just want you dead. Maybe they can compromise and just half of the Israelis need to die

Depends what kind of a human you are? We all have different morals.
You may choose to act like terrorists and simply massacre the civilians, majority which are children or you may choose to acknowledge that the civilians are not responsible for the attacks that happened and respond in a way that allows most civilians to get to safety with reasonable protection and aid and then root out the culprits responsible. Its possible if the intention is there.
But, I guess it all depends on what your actual agenda is.
Individuals get selected to lead a country, but rarely do they do a good job. History has many examples of leaders with plenty of blood on their hands. We may not be allowed to say what we believe they are doing now, but the next few generations will state openly what they did without being afraid of using terms that best suit their actions.
Think about the leaders from our past that committed acts of genocide. No one dared to label those leaders back then, but now years later we openly use the terms that best describe their leadership

Hypocrites. They need to also
release the Palestinian hostages.

I dont call them criminals. I call the Israeli government and IDF terrorists. They won’t stop until they’ve massacred all the civilians of Palestine. The terrorists are a bunch of cowards who will go down in history as the army that waged a war against children and babies. What a legacy.

Bombing everything in sight isn't going to resolve things and obviously they have no idea where the hostages are or they'd be trying to get them out so how does anyone know that they are not caught up in the bombing?

In Israel I’d would want the atrocities not to happen again, and given Hamas’ stated intention and knowing the extreme barbarism of their actions I’d hope they could be stopped.

Plenty of Jewish people are calling for a ceasefire. And actually if one of my relatives was a hostage taken by Hamas, I would firmly believe the IDF was putting my relative in even more danger. And some of the families affected have been saying exactly that.

people seem to keep forgetting that up until October 6th, Israel and Saudi Arabia were engaged in serious discussions. Consideration for the Palestinians were reported to be part of those talks.

derailing talks was the goal.

What would you do if Israel was your country and you were Jewish? And your family members had been kidnapped and worse? Just roll over I suppose. It's so easy to do 😢 on social media when it doesn't directly affect you.

You mean like the billionaire Hamas leaders sitting in Qatar

What soldiers are saying they're following orders? Most believe in what they're trying to achieve - getting rid of a terrorist organisation that raped, murdered and kidnapped their citizens. That raped a woman whilst she listened to the cries of her baby being burnt to death in the oven (which are war crimes). That's what they're trying to achieve. They're sick of Hamas and them spending all the aid for Gazans on rockets and then crying that Israel prevents it from being a decent standard. They're just done with it all. And they won't stop til Hamas is gone and/or every hostage is released.

And I think it's very easy to sit in your arm chair and say you wouldn't do this or that but you're not living there and you don't know how you'd feel.

Exactly. Powerful, rich men start wars and then send off others to do their bidding or die for their cause.

Have the IDF soldiers forgotten that when war crimes are considered after the fact, that the defence of 'following orders' doesnt cut it

Are soldiers aware of that?

Are we hearing for soldiers on the ground at the moment (I am purposely avoiding the news and really only hear about things from this forum to be honest)

Considering that Hamas' only requirement is the total anilahtion of Israel (and all Jews) I'm not sure what there is to negotiate.

And if your family had been killed and kidnapped you would sit down at the table and negotiate would you? Or would you do whatever you needed to get them back?

@Bells3032 none. Enough innocent lives have been lost on both sides and still it goes on.

None. No civilians. That's literally what people are saying.

You can't wipe out terrorists with blood, it literally hasn't worked anywhere in the entirety of history. You kill Dave and his cousin in France turns up ready to fight. You kill Fred and his three nephews from Sweden arrive to avenge him ten years later with all their friends. It doesn't end the cycle of hate and death.

Both sides need to sit down and talk.

Ok so tell me how many civilians they're allowed to kill to rid themselves of a terrorist group hiding amongst the civilians and hiding the hostages under civilian populations?

I don't believe thet care what happens to the hostages anymore, if they ever did in the first place

They're not interested in negotiating for the hostages back though