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Livinginanotherworld · 10/11/2023 14:48

orangegato · 06/11/2023 13:22

Can’t be hurting Hamas’ conscience too much or they’d give the hostages back.

They tried, Netanyahu doesn’t want them !

Livinginanotherworld · 10/11/2023 14:47

PurpleChrayne · 06/11/2023 13:17

I presume you're aware that Al Jazeera is the mouthpiece of Qatar, and their source is the "Palestinian Health Ministry", which is Hamas.

Just as I am sure that you are aware that Western media both UK and US are the mouthpiece of the Israeli gov, who are war criminals.
Al Jazeera has the most accurate reporting of any news agency.

Parkingt111 · 10/11/2023 14:43

Regardless of which side anyone is on at this point it can't be denied that there are very real serious concerns

Number of Palestinians killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza over 10,000 😡
Parkingt111 · 10/11/2023 14:40

@SomeCatFromJapan I don't know much about weapons but the UN have asked today for an investigation in which weapons are being used in urban areas. With a serious concern of high impact weapons which would amount to large civilian deaths

SomeCatFromJapan · 10/11/2023 14:30

@HaveANiceTime Oz Katerji seems to think that's disinformation btw and he's a relatively restrained voice in general:

https://twitter.com/OzKaterji/status/1722968907542151495

Parkingt111 · 10/11/2023 14:26

Unfortunately the death toll now exceeds 11 thousand with 4506 child death
This does not take into account those unfortunate deaths that are still under the rubble
It can't be emphasised enough how desperately a ceasefire is needed right now

There are very real concerns of indiscriminate bombing which has resulted in such a great civilian toll
This can no longer be dismissed as some sort of propaganda

Ecdysiast · 10/11/2023 13:36

HaveANiceTime · 10/11/2023 11:04

The IDF are using Hellfire R9X models amongst encampments of civilians now.

This missile does not explode. Instead, it sends out six buzz saws in an open arc that slices up anything in the immediate vicinity.

Warning, graphic video content.

Anyone who still supports Israel should watch this and tell me how they’re the moral army we keep being told about.

Thanks for sharing. I have no words.

Parkingt111 · 10/11/2023 11:05

HaveANiceTime · 10/11/2023 11:04

The IDF are using Hellfire R9X models amongst encampments of civilians now.

This missile does not explode. Instead, it sends out six buzz saws in an open arc that slices up anything in the immediate vicinity.

Warning, graphic video content.

Anyone who still supports Israel should watch this and tell me how they’re the moral army we keep being told about.

Disgusting
These are displaced civilians sleeping in the courtyard of a hospital aswell

HaveANiceTime · 10/11/2023 11:04

The IDF are using Hellfire R9X models amongst encampments of civilians now.

This missile does not explode. Instead, it sends out six buzz saws in an open arc that slices up anything in the immediate vicinity.

Warning, graphic video content.

Anyone who still supports Israel should watch this and tell me how they’re the moral army we keep being told about.

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1722817625254936576/pu/vid/avc1/320x564/veeX8Y_fhgtuoqd7.mp4?tag=12

Totalblindnessofthesoul · 10/11/2023 10:03

Efacsen · 10/11/2023 07:29

I'm not sure what to make of things like this - it was something that was/is regularly brought up about the Trump rallies and people being 'bussed' in to swell the crowds

If you're providing expensive transport over large distances [as is the case of the US] in order to get your supporters there it can look like you're paying people to attend rather than just making it possible for them to attend

And paying students £1,000 to promote Israel (secretly!) On social media and forums? Is that 'expenses' too?

Efacsen · 10/11/2023 07:29

OuiOuiKitty · 10/11/2023 00:10

A pro Israel organisation are offering to pay students $250 in 'expenses' to attend a pro Israel march in Washington on the 14th. Kind of embarrassing that they need to pay people to attend.

I'm not sure what to make of things like this - it was something that was/is regularly brought up about the Trump rallies and people being 'bussed' in to swell the crowds

If you're providing expensive transport over large distances [as is the case of the US] in order to get your supporters there it can look like you're paying people to attend rather than just making it possible for them to attend

OuiOuiKitty · 10/11/2023 00:10

A pro Israel organisation are offering to pay students $250 in 'expenses' to attend a pro Israel march in Washington on the 14th. Kind of embarrassing that they need to pay people to attend.

EasterIssland · 09/11/2023 23:08

Totalblindnessofthesoul · 09/11/2023 23:05

They have paid people (often students) to push pro Israeli viewpoint on social media and forums for over a decade.

This is verified by the bbc etc, not just rumour. Of course when I put up a thread about it on here MN deleted it for being speculation despite me lining to the bbc verified article.

Let's see how long this comment lasts 😂

Aug 2023

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-23695896.amp

Israel: Government pays students to fight internet battles - BBC News

Students in Israel are to be awarded "scholarships" to respond to defend the country's reputation on Facebook and Twitter, reports suggest.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-23695896.amp

Totalblindnessofthesoul · 09/11/2023 23:05

EasterIssland · 09/11/2023 22:16

Some poster said some ig accounts have said they’ve been offered money to support Israel so probably there is money injected in sponsoring these news

They have paid people (often students) to push pro Israeli viewpoint on social media and forums for over a decade.

This is verified by the bbc etc, not just rumour. Of course when I put up a thread about it on here MN deleted it for being speculation despite me lining to the bbc verified article.

Let's see how long this comment lasts 😂

Ecdysiast · 09/11/2023 22:19

itsallshite · 09/11/2023 22:13

Maybe im slow off the mark but I was just browsing online and was bombarded with adverts supporting Israel. Since when is this a thing? It feels super creepy and 1984 to have this propaganda so explicit.

I've been getting it for weeks now. Every time I watch something on YouTube one of their ads comes up multiple times. I've heard they've spent a massive amount of money on the ad campaign.

EasterIssland · 09/11/2023 22:16

itsallshite · 09/11/2023 22:13

Maybe im slow off the mark but I was just browsing online and was bombarded with adverts supporting Israel. Since when is this a thing? It feels super creepy and 1984 to have this propaganda so explicit.

Some poster said some ig accounts have said they’ve been offered money to support Israel so probably there is money injected in sponsoring these news

mollyfolk · 09/11/2023 22:15

itsallshite · 09/11/2023 22:13

Maybe im slow off the mark but I was just browsing online and was bombarded with adverts supporting Israel. Since when is this a thing? It feels super creepy and 1984 to have this propaganda so explicit.

It’s super creepy. So much propaganda.

itsallshite · 09/11/2023 22:13

Maybe im slow off the mark but I was just browsing online and was bombarded with adverts supporting Israel. Since when is this a thing? It feels super creepy and 1984 to have this propaganda so explicit.

Number of Palestinians killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza over 10,000 😡
EasterIssland · 09/11/2023 21:38

Ecdysiast · 09/11/2023 17:02

@Parkingt111 He is a snake. There is a special place in hell for him.

think she agrees with you both @Parkingt111 @Ecdysiast

Number of Palestinians killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza over 10,000 😡
mollyfolk · 09/11/2023 21:36

For anyone wanting to learn more about the history of the crisis, I recommend the David McWilliams podcast - he has a 3 part series. It’s not unbiased - he is very anti the Israeli administration- but he lived in Israel and it’s an interesting viewpoint from an economist’s point of view.

Also the today in focus podcast from the Guardian has loads including an interviews with the hostages families.

OneHurtSpaggettio · 09/11/2023 19:57

OuiOuiKitty · 09/11/2023 17:04

Jewish doesn't equal unquestioning support for Israel though, there are lots of, especially young, Jewish people in the US that don't support an attempted genocide.

I think he is trying to walk a line though, don't piss of the pro Israel crowd too much, don't piss off the pro Palestinian crowd too much. Ultimately though he will always support Israel, the US don't fund Israel every year out of the goodness of their hearts. I don't think the US have ever particularly cared about Israel just their position in the middle east.

Edited

Exactly this.

He and Blinken will come out with some empty gestures of Palestinian sympathy whilst simultaneously signing off on billions more to land in the pockets of the IDF.

It’s performative crap in response to things like the march in Washington DC and other major US cities on the weekend:
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/04/up-to-30000-protesters-expected-for-pro-palestinian-rally-in-dc-on-saturday

‘No ceasefire, no votes’: tens of thousands attend pro-Palestinian rally in Washington DC | Protest | The Guardian

Protesters call on Biden to demand ceasefire in Israel-Gaza conflict and end military aid to Israel

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/04/up-to-30000-protesters-expected-for-pro-palestinian-rally-in-dc-on-saturday

starfleet · 09/11/2023 19:46

Apologies @Efacsen I thought you were asking about all of the deaths.

I'll try and find the link re the 13 people.

starfleet · 09/11/2023 19:43

Efacsen · 09/11/2023 19:24

@starfleet sad to hear of those deaths - all things considered surprised not sooner
Where was it reported please?

The hospital bombing was still being reported.

The death toll is the amount of approx people already killed.

Ecdysiast · 09/11/2023 19:41

Maybe there was also a Hamas member in this aid convoy delivering water:

twitter.com/insiderworld_1/status/1721921897795928288/mediaviewer

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