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Namesbeenchanged · 12/11/2023 11:13

@feralunderclass

Did you not see the break off splinter Pro Palestine group throwing fireworks at the police? That received a brief mention of the news. The counter protest thugs were dealt with. The pro Palestine throwing fireworks hit a police officer in the face

feralunderclass · 12/11/2023 10:55

Xenia · 12/11/2023 10:47

Good post above by Heidi about Germans. It also illustrates an issue in the UK too about our ancestors and the world wars, a huge part of the psyche and background of most of the 67m of us in the UK, but not for some some newer incomers to the UK and how those newer people affect how the UK remembers its past and what is "the past". I suppose it is still pretty de minimis as most of the 67m are from the UK and have a shared history but as more people come that changes although probably never enough to be anything other than minimal against the 67m residents.

Going back however to Hamas terrorists invading Israel and causing the problems for those in Gaza - I am sure Hamas knew exactly what it was doing and has probably achieved what it wanted - no rapprochement between Israel and Saudi etc. Hopefully the Saudi/Israel peace deal planned before 7 Nov will still be on the table and Hamas will continue to be the losers that they are.

I literally just saw on the news now about how EDL members were "disruptive" yesterday and the "Pro Palestinian march was peaceful". I'm assuming from what I saw that the EDL members are not "newcomers" and yet they are attempting to impact on how "we" see "our" history. Just something to think about.

Xenia · 12/11/2023 10:47

Good post above by Heidi about Germans. It also illustrates an issue in the UK too about our ancestors and the world wars, a huge part of the psyche and background of most of the 67m of us in the UK, but not for some some newer incomers to the UK and how those newer people affect how the UK remembers its past and what is "the past". I suppose it is still pretty de minimis as most of the 67m are from the UK and have a shared history but as more people come that changes although probably never enough to be anything other than minimal against the 67m residents.

Going back however to Hamas terrorists invading Israel and causing the problems for those in Gaza - I am sure Hamas knew exactly what it was doing and has probably achieved what it wanted - no rapprochement between Israel and Saudi etc. Hopefully the Saudi/Israel peace deal planned before 7 Nov will still be on the table and Hamas will continue to be the losers that they are.

feralunderclass · 12/11/2023 10:40

UNICEF have said "there is no safe place in Gaza for a child".

Ohlalalalala · 12/11/2023 10:13

feralunderclass · 12/11/2023 10:00

Residential homes last night struck in Khan Younis, killing 13 and injuring dozens. These people came from the north, and are now being internally displaced TWICE, with nowhere to go now.

Unhinged monsters 😡

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feralunderclass · 12/11/2023 10:00

Residential homes last night struck in Khan Younis, killing 13 and injuring dozens. These people came from the north, and are now being internally displaced TWICE, with nowhere to go now.

Alcemeg · 10/11/2023 17:31

Livinginanotherworld · 10/11/2023 17:14

Possibly yes, but they didn’t fly the Apaches did they.

My god, you're right!!! The Israelis just want everyone dead, including their own, and Hamas have been unfairly maligned. How silly of me, as a non-Jewish non-Israeli, to be so completely blinded by their evil campaign of misinformation.

Parkingt111 · 10/11/2023 17:25

Efacsen · 10/11/2023 17:21

One person killed, many children wounded after Israeli snipers target al-Quds hospital, says Palestinian Red Crescent

Lost for words

The situation currently at the hospitals is nothing short of heartbreaking

Efacsen · 10/11/2023 17:21

One person killed, many children wounded after Israeli snipers target al-Quds hospital, says Palestinian Red Crescent

Lost for words

Livinginanotherworld · 10/11/2023 17:14

Alcemeg · 10/11/2023 16:57

There are also plenty of reports that Hamas/Gazans dressed in the IDF and police uniforms of those they killed. I imagine the whole situation was rather confusing.

Possibly yes, but they didn’t fly the Apaches did they.

Alcemeg · 10/11/2023 16:57

Livinginanotherworld · 10/11/2023 15:46

There are also plenty of reports that Hamas/Gazans dressed in the IDF and police uniforms of those they killed. I imagine the whole situation was rather confusing.

EasterIssland · 10/11/2023 16:06

what ive been saying for a while. They can kill every hamas supporter … but unless the conflict is directly fixed with a solution that works for both countries… the problem will continue

Number of Palestinians killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza over 10,000 😡
SomeCatFromJapan · 10/11/2023 16:05

But after 7 October, they do have to get rid of Hamas. I can't see a realistic way around that.

SomeCatFromJapan · 10/11/2023 16:04

It’s always Hamas isn’t it, what’s your excuse for them in the West Bank ?

Israel needs to sort its shit out in the West Bank, I've never thought differently on that.

MableT · 10/11/2023 15:57

Livinginanotherworld · 10/11/2023 15:55

I find ethnic cleansing and genocide unpalatable as well, I find apologists for it just as bad.

You can't find apologists for Israel bad when you are protecting Hamas. That's quite an oxymoron. You actually speak as though you feel they are hard done by.

Livinginanotherworld · 10/11/2023 15:55

MableT · 10/11/2023 15:50

If Hamas get the blame for anything they haven't done, I won't be losing sleep over it. I always find posts like yours unpalatable.

I find ethnic cleansing and genocide unpalatable as well, I find apologists for it just as bad.

MableT · 10/11/2023 15:50

Livinginanotherworld · 10/11/2023 15:37

Ahh but you’ve already decided only Israel can bomb babies children and get away with it, this did not start on 0ct 07 and you know it ! It’s always Hamas isn’t it, what’s your excuse for them in the West Bank ?

If Hamas get the blame for anything they haven't done, I won't be losing sleep over it. I always find posts like yours unpalatable.

Livinginanotherworld · 10/11/2023 15:46

interesting reading….this has been verified.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231030-report-7-october-testimonies-strikes-major-blow-to-israeli-narrative/

Livinginanotherworld · 10/11/2023 15:37

SomeCatFromJapan · 10/11/2023 15:20

So Palestine aren’t allowed to try and defend themselves from genocide then ?

You really need to decide here. Either both sides get to fire rockets or neither do.
And it's not Palestine firing the rockets anyway, it's Hamas. You know, the ones that broke the ceasefire in the first place.

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Ahh but you’ve already decided only Israel can bomb babies children and get away with it, this did not start on 0ct 07 and you know it ! It’s always Hamas isn’t it, what’s your excuse for them in the West Bank ?

Efacsen · 10/11/2023 15:27

More news about al-Shifa hospital
Sad

Thousands of people sheltering at Shifa hospital have fled after strikes

Palestinian evacuees fleeing Gaza’s northern combat zone have told the Associated Press that thousands of displaced people who had sheltered at Shifa Hospital in the heart of Gaza City have fled following overnight explosions there.

The hospital had been sheltering nearly 80,000 people

Some of those fleeing Friday said only a few hundred badly wounded patients and doctors remained behind. Doctors at Shifa Hospital could not immediately be reached for comment because of phone and internet connectivity disruptions.

The Israeli army has alleged that Hamas hides in and under hospitals and that it has set up a command center under Shifa — claims the militant group and hospital staff deny.

Gaza health officials said strikes were carried out near four hospitals overnight and early Friday.

A senior Israeli security official told the Associated Press that a review was being carried out and that initial findings indicated that one strike at Shifa was the result of a misfire by militants.

SomeCatFromJapan · 10/11/2023 15:20

So Palestine aren’t allowed to try and defend themselves from genocide then ?

You really need to decide here. Either both sides get to fire rockets or neither do.
And it's not Palestine firing the rockets anyway, it's Hamas. You know, the ones that broke the ceasefire in the first place.

Livinginanotherworld · 10/11/2023 15:03

mushroomsinplantpots · 06/11/2023 18:40

Are you aware that Hamas continues to fire thousands of rockets at Israel too and if it were not for their defence system, there would be countless deaths?

Just tonight on Sky News a Hamas spokesman said, 'we will not stop until we have our own state with Jerusalem as it's capital'. So in other words, 'we're not stopping till all the Israelis are dead or gone'.

I don't know what you expect Israel to do in those circumstances? Invite Hamas round for tea?

So Palestine aren’t allowed to try and defend themselves from genocide then ?

Livinginanotherworld · 10/11/2023 15:01

feralunderclass · 06/11/2023 18:31

This rhetoric that the Jewish people in Israel would all be wiped out if Israel didn't commit genocide respond in the way it did is entirely false. Israel have been murdering Palestinians, illegally demolishing homes, illegally grabbing land, illegally building walls (that the UN have declared an apartheid fence) in the name of "security" LONG before the existence of Hamas. Nobody believes this false narrative that everything was fine until a few weeks ago. Israel have been an occupying force severely violating the human rights of Palestinians for decades!

100% this

Livinginanotherworld · 10/11/2023 14:59

soddingspiderseason · 06/11/2023 18:12

Hamas breached a ceasefire and started a war by committing atrocities against innocent civilians including many children. Hamas took 240 people as hostages. Hamas continues to fire rockets at Israel using Gazan civilians as human shields. Hamas leaders have said they intend to commit the same atrocities until all Jews are dead. Hamas are the problem. Argue for Hamas to return all the hostages immediately. Then the Israelis may talk about a ceasefire. Argue for Hamas to surrender themselves to prevent further bloodshed. Argue for the Gazan people to rise up against Hamas. Hamas are the enemy of peace.

Wow, they’ve done a great brain washing job on you haven’t they.

EasterIssland · 10/11/2023 14:51

100 urnwa workers have been killed in the last month
https://twitter.com/UNLazzarini/status/1722925888503701880

https://twitter.com/UNLazzarini/status/1722925888503701880