Number of Palestinians killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza over 10,000 😡

I shall repeat the question I have asked previously:

If it were "only" 5000, would that be okay then?

What number is an okay number?

And, if the answer is "any number is okay" - then why bother arguing?

Do you have empathy for people who are "not like you"?

I've reported it for being callous. Some people have indeed lost loved ones in Gaza.

Telling the truth about how many Gazan people have been killed? You'd like this information to be hidden and kept quiet?

The truth isn't propaganda, it's just uncomfortable for some people.

That's just mean and uncalled for
Some people here may have actually lost loved ones in this war

These threads are becoming propaganda sites.

No, I will as those I've seen have been pretty bad plus that poster has more than one deleted comment in this thread alone. 🤦‍♂️

And I see someone's comment in response to my post was so bad Mumsnet deleted it before I even saw it.

A lot of things are being moderated in ways I don't understand at the moment. MN owns the site so that's up to them. But don't assume it's 'so bad'.

Ah....do you do Whataboutery often?

I was responding very clearly to someone's question with my knowledge of how terrorist groups operate. 🤔

And I see someone's comment in response to my post was so bad Mumsnet deleted it before I even saw it.

Tell me about those terrorists again.

I know this is your traditional knee-jerk IT'S HAMAS, IT'S LIES reaction on every thread the second anyone talks about anything. But is anyone reputable saying there haven't been thousands of deaths? Hell, even disreputable sources.

The hellscape rubble in a densely packed area of residential streets with a huge population of children? I mean there clearly are. And do Hamas routinely lie about deaths? Because the UN, and others, agree that the scale of deaths of Palestinian children is horrifying even before recent events.

I fully believe this is what they want, but they know full well that they would lose international support if they just dropped a nuclear bomb. They need to play the long game, so portraying Palestinians as animalistic terrorists that need to be controlled and eliminated one by one in the name of "security" will have to do for now.

@curaçao but thankfully ONLY 10,000 have died - right? What’s 10,000 lives or one child to a mother.

I hope you never have to feel the pain of losing your children and entire family or perhaps this is what these deniers need in order to feel a little bit human again

Terrorist groups often have very fuzzy lines and they all blur the line between themselves and civilians for terrorist reasons. The fuzziness plays into terrorist propaganda as well - shoot one dead and they'll often whisk away the weapons so they appear to media as having been civilians instead.

As for Hamas using civilian infrastructure, they're well known for doing so. In the 2008 conflict between Hamas and Fatah in Gaza, Hamas used Al-Shifa hospital as a base which Fatah attacked and Hamas fired out from within. Hamas never stopped using civilian infrastructure in this way, including to store weapons and to launch rockets from.

Law Of Armed Conflict is clear that civilian hospitals lose protection if used for military attacks on an enemy. Its clear too that areas cannot be granted immunity from attack simply by the presence of protected persons aka civilians.

So, you can see how terrorist groups like Hamas always blur the line between themselves and civilians. This is perfidy and, if captured, Hamas aren't entitled to POW status either.

So, no, it doesn't mean axiomatically that a military power is trying to wipe out a people or territory by targeting civilian infrastructure. Terrorist groups embed themselves amongst civilians as its the only way they can survive a confrontation with Sovereign Military Power.

Gazavis such a tiny densely populated area, the death count would be in the hundreds of thousands if that is what the Israelis wanted

Horrible. Poor little kids dying alone like that.

I hope all you apologists out there are happy now. "No, it's not enough", you say, "keep going". I'm sure the bloodthirsty will oblige.

There's at least a thousand kids trapped under there apparently. As horrible as this is to say, I hope they are all dead, because I can't imagine what a long and lonely drawn out death it would be for little ones otherwise 😢

Have you seen the state of Gaza? I'm surprised it's not more. In fact it probably is due to people who will be trapped under the rubble and nobody will ever even know they're gone.

Any non-combatants who remain in the north and are caught up in the fighting despite being told to move south have made their own decision to risk their lives.
I have no words.
Israel will not stop fighting just because the unanimous voices of the world's anti-Semites tell them to.
The unanimous voice of the compassionate, the empathic, the outraged, the ones who will not be silenced for fear of being antisemitic and those who believe that every live matters.

we are talking about actual loss of life, please dont try and discredit a mourning mother. The list has been independently sampled and samples have been verified of known deaths vs. Whats on the list and has matched up time and time again. Relatives abroad have confirmed their murdered brothers and sisters are recorded corrently on the list. 10k people have been murdered by israel in 4 weeks. What people forget is hamas may be terrorists but they are also a governing party so have similar departments like any other ruling authority. Not using the word government as gaza remains occupied and israel assert control over most affairs, like Israel has decided not to transfer tax monies for public spending to palestinians as collective punishment for the 7th Oct attacks.

Nice bit of victim blaming there. Did you not see the people on the news who are "refusing" to leave? They are mostly elderly, infirm, disabled, bedridden. They don't know where they will be going. It's a tragic case of better the devil you know.

And Israel will never claim that they have wiped out Hamas, as they will then be under international pressure to stop the ongoing eradication of the Palestinians. Mind you international pressure hasn't bothered them in the past...

If somebody posted this about the October 7th attack they would be accused of being a holocaust denier. I saw a post doing exactly that last night, why is it fine to deny the horrors of what Israel are doing?