Number of Palestinians killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza over 10,000 😡

In that ceasefire that stopped on the 7-10 you’re not taking into account what the settlers are doing. Neither what idf has been doing with pouring cement into water springs this summer. Why is it ok everything Israel has been doing in the last years ? There is more than one way of killing people and Israel has not respected the ceasefire for a long time

Anyone who agrees with this genocide needs to actually see the pictures coming out of Gaza and look at themselves in the mirror and say ‘ I agree with this’ hopefully they might then realise just how sick they are.

@RafaistheKingofClay ,

Hiroshima: 78,000 in less than one second.

Iraq war: depending on sources 150,000-600,000 civilian deaths in about 3 years, so that order or magnitude EVERY month for 3 whole years.

I am sure that there are many others….

"Fighting" ?? You mean bombing hospitals, schools and refugee camps?

Israel directed people to move and then killed them on the way there.

The IDF are despicable murderers, and you are just as bad to support it. Shame on you.

The cowardly way to fight is to mass murder civilians and then cry "they made us do this, we are the real victims!". I'm talking about dropping bombs on residential areas, shooting children from armed tanks, shooting men dead working on their farms because you want their land, shooting journalists, bombing hospitals, uprooting trees, dropping white phosphorus on civilian populations where 50% are children.

Treblinka, Sobibor, Chelmno, Babi Yar, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden, Hamburg.

We killed more French civilians in the run-up to D-Day and we were trying to help them. In existential wars really difficult decisions have to be made and you have to live with the weight of them. Hamas, not Israel, wanted this.

Are you aware that Hamas continues to fire thousands of rockets at Israel too and if it were not for their defence system, there would be countless deaths?

Just tonight on Sky News a Hamas spokesman said, 'we will not stop until we have our own state with Jerusalem as it's capital'. So in other words, 'we're not stopping till all the Israelis are dead or gone'.

I don't know what you expect Israel to do in those circumstances? Invite Hamas round for tea?

It’s an absolutely enormous number in such a short space of time. Can you find me a war in which 10,000 civilians have been killed in under a month?

@Newbutoldfather
*Hamas is actually stopping civilians leaving
*in order to have them killed
*hoping that the resulting propaganda will cause pressure to be put on Israel.

Is there evidence for these three claims?

@HeidiInTheBigCity ,

No, not incompetent.

You cannot attack an enemy in an urban area without killing civilians.

There is a naivety among some about what war is. Have a look at the civilian casualty count in any real war and 10,000 is not a massive number, especially given the cowardly way Hamas choose to fight.

Any innocent person dying is a tragedy, but wars are tragic.

This rhetoric that the Jewish people in Israel would all be wiped out if Israel didn't commit genocide respond in the way it did is entirely false. Israel have been murdering Palestinians, illegally demolishing homes, illegally grabbing land, illegally building walls (that the UN have declared an apartheid fence) in the name of "security" LONG before the existence of Hamas. Nobody believes this false narrative that everything was fine until a few weeks ago. Israel have been an occupying force severely violating the human rights of Palestinians for decades!

Israel are sparing civilians as much as possible

Well, they must be REALLY FUCKING INCOMPETENT then - reason enough to oust the entire government, I should have thought!

EDIT, seeing as this is the internet: yes, that was sarcasm!

2023: "use smaller bomb when dropping them on civilian areas" counts as ... I do not even know what, but I am presuming this is meant to be some sort of appeal to humanitarianism!

I have no words!

Civilians are NOT A FUCKING TARGET! And I really do not care whether they are Israeli, Palestinian, Syrian, Tibetan, British, Spanish, or - for all I care - from fucking Mars!

Sure. Did you not see the post I was replying to though?

I don’t doubt the data, but this was Israel’s 9/11.

The problem is Israel is facing an enemy whose sole modus operandi is hiding in amongst civilian.

Hamas is actually stopping civilians leaving, in order to have them killed, hoping that the resulting propaganda will cause pressure to be put on Israel.

There are some bad actors on the Israeli side but Israel are sparing civilians as much as possible. If they really didn’t care they could use bunker busters and air burst munitions to obliterate Hamas without risking life. As it is, they are doing things the hard and dangerous way.

Wasn’t an Israeli security source claiming they had killed 20,000 Palestinians earlier? So one of those numbers must be wrong. Seems unlikely that the Palestinian health authorities are increasing the number as propaganda on that basis.

Seems more likely that 10,000 is an undercount and doesn’t include those still missing.

According to the NYT the US has asked Israel to use smaller bombs, Israel apparently has large bombs which it is using but they aren't suitable for bombing dense urban areas . That knocks the idea of precision targeting on the head not that I believed that in the first place.

Maybe Israel could give the hostages back too. For decades IDF have been arresting small children and putting them in prison not to mention the illegal settlers stealing land and homes of the Palestinians. Maybe that could stop too.

Or you know Israel could stop dropping bombs.

Both sides need to stop, surely, and the hostages released. I genuinely don't understand why the pressure is so one-sided.

Hamas breached a ceasefire and started a war by committing atrocities against innocent civilians including many children. Hamas took 240 people as hostages. Hamas continues to fire rockets at Israel using Gazan civilians as human shields. Hamas leaders have said they intend to commit the same atrocities until all Jews are dead. Hamas are the problem. Argue for Hamas to return all the hostages immediately. Then the Israelis may talk about a ceasefire. Argue for Hamas to surrender themselves to prevent further bloodshed. Argue for the Gazan people to rise up against Hamas. Hamas are the enemy of peace.

The UN are overseeing numbers being told. They said today on radio 4 that after the last attack by Israel the numbers given by Hamas were correct so they are not doubting it this time. Obviously not many can survive the relentless bombing by Israel

The claim is Hamas propaganda.
The death rate is obviously going to be high no matter what Hamas may or may not claim.

The war will continue until either Hamas is wiped out and its infrastructure destroyed, or Hamas release all hostages, return the bodies of those they have already killed and lay down their arms. The second situation is very unlikely, so the fighting will continue.
And if you kill half the population of Gaza and blitz their home land who cares right? I’m sure you’ll let the aid start trickling in eventually. Unless you decide it’s not worth the risk because Hamas might nick it.

Any non-combatants who remain in the north and are caught up in the fighting despite being told to move south have made their own decision to risk their lives
Because they're safe as houses in the south eh?

Israel will not stop fighting just because the unanimous voices of the world's anti-Semites tell them to.
Pffft.

So true. The answer to this question must be yes from MrTiddlesTheCat, otherwise it would demonstrate their contempt for the lives of Palestinians. I await their response with eagerness.