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Israelis intention to push all Palestinians to the South

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RubySunset82 · 05/11/2023 20:37

To try and condemn them to a ‘life’ with even less space!

Israelis intention to push all Palestinians to the South
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fuckssaaaaake · 06/11/2023 22:00

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The Jews?

Fallenangelofthenorth · 06/11/2023 12:32

EasterIssland · 05/11/2023 22:01

The translation on the clip you linked to is different to the ones translated in the comments. Are you sure the one you shared is correct?

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Parkingt111 · 06/11/2023 11:55

ProvincialLady1 · 06/11/2023 11:48

I don't know exactly, but I would imagine this rabbi will be dismissed from his position (obviously we will have to wait and see for confirmation of that). I'm not an expert on Israeli politics by any means but the coalition government led by Netanyahu has been hugely protested by Israelis, so I very much doubt they will win another term.

He is a minister who gained power and popularity despite his extremely controversial views after Netanyahu formed the coalition government and since then has continued to make many hateful remarks against the Palestinians
He's currently in the process of arming as many settlers as he can in the west bank so I don't see him being dismissed anytime soon but like you i hope they certainly don't win another term

ProvincialLady1 · 06/11/2023 11:48

Parkingt111 · 06/11/2023 11:07

Whilst he is not
Itamir Ben-Gvir certainly influences policy especially in the west bank
Whilst I agree that there are many Israelis who disagree with him I can't understand how a moral democracy would allow such a vile human in their government in the first place
Genuine question, is there anything that the Israelis can do to have him removed?

I don't know exactly, but I would imagine this rabbi will be dismissed from his position (obviously we will have to wait and see for confirmation of that). I'm not an expert on Israeli politics by any means but the coalition government led by Netanyahu has been hugely protested by Israelis, so I very much doubt they will win another term.

Parkingt111 · 06/11/2023 11:18

@ProvincialLady1 or if Netanyahu goes inevitably then is there a high chance he will too?
I have yet to encounter a pro Israeli on these threads who have openly expressed support for the far right aspect of the government
Clearly Netanyahu sold a part of his soul when he joined with the far right to continue holding onto his power
But it's done now and can anything be done to remove these dangerous people from government

Parkingt111 · 06/11/2023 11:07

ProvincialLady1 · 06/11/2023 04:52

Yeah I'm sure this guy is setting national policy.

What a surprise to find you sharing irresponsible nonsense. Not.

Whilst he is not
Itamir Ben-Gvir certainly influences policy especially in the west bank
Whilst I agree that there are many Israelis who disagree with him I can't understand how a moral democracy would allow such a vile human in their government in the first place
Genuine question, is there anything that the Israelis can do to have him removed?

Israelis intention to push all Palestinians to the South
ProvincialLady1 · 06/11/2023 09:31

ItsRainingTacos79 · 06/11/2023 08:44

www.instagram.com/reel/CzRiPS9LrjI/

Plenty of material to show Israeli intent too.

This is the same video that was posted earlier, unless I'm missing something.

bearofepic · 06/11/2023 09:14

Absolutely disgusting from IDF, as usual.... what else do we expect from them when examples like this have been recently in the news...

  • Israeli minister saying nuclear bombs are "one way" of dealing with Gaza.
  • 100 doctors calling for Gaza hospitals to be bomed:
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-war-doctors-call-gaza-hospitals-bombed

Palestinians expelled from W.Bank village as Gaza war rages

Within an hour, the Bedouin village of Wadi al-Seeq in the occupied West Bank had been completely emptied, its 200 residents fleeing on foot with their sheep and goats
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231029-palestinians-expelled-from-w-bank-village-as-gaza-war-rages

Israeli minister: Gaza 'must be smaller at the end of war'

ItsRainingTacos79 · 06/11/2023 08:44

www.instagram.com/reel/CzRiPS9LrjI/

Plenty of material to show Israeli intent too.

ItsRainingTacos79 · 06/11/2023 08:40

@quantumbutterfly
Israeli government doesn't need to state its aims. Its actions speak louder.

quantumbutterfly · 06/11/2023 07:51

Toothyfruity · 06/11/2023 00:32

Hamas have previously agreed to a 2 state solution though. It's Israel that won't allow that to happen.

Israel want to destroy Palestine and they are doing it as we speak. Israel isn't being annihilated. Palestine is.

When was this? hamas stated aim is to annihilate Israel and that has not apparently changed. Curious.

ProvincialLady1 · 06/11/2023 07:42

EasterIssland · 06/11/2023 07:17

Sure. You mean the video that is shared is fake 🤔

Oh, he is setting Israeli national policy? I'll look out for that on all the front pages today.

EasterIssland · 06/11/2023 07:17

ProvincialLady1 · 06/11/2023 04:52

Yeah I'm sure this guy is setting national policy.

What a surprise to find you sharing irresponsible nonsense. Not.

Sure. You mean the video that is shared is fake 🤔

Sugaristheenemy · 06/11/2023 07:08

Does Israel have an endgame?

“Some of U.S. President Joe Biden's aides are concerned that while Israel may craft an effective plan to inflict lasting damage to Hamas, it has yet to formulate an exit strategy, a source in Washington familiar with the matter said.

Trips to Israel by Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin this past week had stressed the need to focus on the post-war plan for Gaza, the source added.
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Arab officials are also alarmed that Israel hasn't set out a clear plan for the future of the enclave, ruled by Hamas since 2006 and home to 2.3 million people.

"Israel doesn't have an endgame for Gaza. Their strategy is to drop thousands of bombs, destroy everything and go in, but then what? They have no exit strategy for the day after," said one regional security source.”

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-endgame-no-sign-post-war-plan-gaza-2023-10-18/

A view shows smoke in the Gaza Strip as seen from Israel's border with the Gaza Strip, in southern Israel October 18, 2023. REUTERS/Amir Cohen

What is Israel’s endgame in Gaza invasion?

Israel is vowing to wipe out Hamas in a relentless onslaught on the Gaza Strip but has no obvious endgame in sight, with no clear plan for how to govern the ravaged Palestinian enclave even if it triumphs on the battlefield.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-endgame-no-sign-post-war-plan-gaza-2023-10-18/

RubySunset82 · 06/11/2023 06:39

Quote from article :

In a meeting with Jewish community leaders at the White House on 12 October, Joe Biden said he thought that the end result of the tragedy and bloodshed in Israel and Gaza would be a Middle East that was changed for the better.
"But then again, I have been referred to as a congenital optimist," the US president added.
On the ground here in the region, such optimism has proven to be a rare commodity.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67329121

Antony Blinken in Baghdad, Iraq, 5 November 2023

Few reasons for optimism after Antony Blinken's diplomatic dash

Over three frantic days, Antony Blinken tried to find middle ground where none exists, for now.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67329121

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ProvincialLady1 · 06/11/2023 04:52

EasterIssland · 05/11/2023 22:01

Yeah I'm sure this guy is setting national policy.

What a surprise to find you sharing irresponsible nonsense. Not.

ItsRainingTacos79 · 06/11/2023 00:48

@Lifesd The Israeli government rejected a two state solution in 2016 when John Kerry presented a plan with Israel pulling back to 1967 borders and Jerusalem becoming the capital for both states and an end to Israeli occupation. Mahmoud Abbas was keen to resume the peace process if Israel stopped further settlement construction.

Sadly settlement construction has always been the obstacle which the Israeli government doesn't want to address. It feeds resentment which continues to manifest itself in ongoing Hamas atrocities.

Toothyfruity · 06/11/2023 00:32

Lifesd · 05/11/2023 22:18

What would you ideal solution be given that Hamas won’t accept a two state solution and will only ever accept the annihilation of Israel?

Hamas have previously agreed to a 2 state solution though. It's Israel that won't allow that to happen.

Israel want to destroy Palestine and they are doing it as we speak. Israel isn't being annihilated. Palestine is.

Milake · 05/11/2023 23:50

Lifesd · 05/11/2023 22:18

What would you ideal solution be given that Hamas won’t accept a two state solution and will only ever accept the annihilation of Israel?

Isn't the annihilation of Gaza equally as bad as the annihilation of Isreal?

My ideal solution would be for everyone to recognise each others shared humanity and treat all human life as equal.

What is your ideal solution? Surely bombing refugee camps isn't part of yours?

EasterIssland · 05/11/2023 23:19

Lifesd · 05/11/2023 23:10

@EasterIssland i honestly don’t have one. If the ruling parties won’t accept a two state solution or release any hostages in order to secure a ceasefire and won’t stop bombing Israel what are they supposed to do? I’m as horrified as the next person at the killing! On both sides!

You forgot to mention what the Palestinians have gone through as well : women raped / kids detained and tortured / settlers kicking people out of their houses/ people being killed . All these the Palestinians have to put up for long … so I hope in your 2 state plan it’s not only stop bombíng Israel but leave Palestinians alone.

Sugaristheenemy · 05/11/2023 23:13

What would you ideal solution be given that Hamas won’t accept a two state solution and will only ever accept the annihilation of Israel

Not really sure what that had to do with driving the Palestinians into Egypt. Can Israel not defeat Hamas without doing this?

Hamas will just set up shop in Egypt which Egypt does NOT want so they will probably not let it happen anyway.

Lifesd · 05/11/2023 23:10

@EasterIssland i honestly don’t have one. If the ruling parties won’t accept a two state solution or release any hostages in order to secure a ceasefire and won’t stop bombing Israel what are they supposed to do? I’m as horrified as the next person at the killing! On both sides!

EasterIssland · 05/11/2023 23:07

Lifesd · 05/11/2023 22:39

I’m not the only one posting my opinion across multiple threads @EasterIssland

So what’s your proposal for a solution then ?

FOJN · 05/11/2023 22:58

Lifesd · 05/11/2023 22:55

@FOJN allied forces did similar at the end of WW2, I’d also suggest you look at more recent conflicts like Saudi/Yemen and the atrocities in Syria.

I'm not sure you have understood my post, perhaps it's was too subtle for you.