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What should the Israeli government do?

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auberginefortea · 05/11/2023 13:04

I thought I'd start this thread to explicitly ask the question. What should the Israeli government do?

I honestly don't know. I appreciate that Israel was attacked on October 7, and that they need to respond. I'm sure everyone wants peace, but what can Israel do?

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Parkingt111 · 07/11/2023 09:47

Humdingerydoo · 07/11/2023 09:46

No, not saying bad things. Doing bad things, like murdering.

As I said, if they weren't there in the first place alot of the retaliation wouldn't be happening is there??
I can't believe you are still trying to justify the illegal settlements to an extent

OuiOuiKitty · 07/11/2023 09:46

Parkingt111 · 07/11/2023 09:44

That's a load of rubbish
And by no means gives any sort of justification to illegal settlements
See this is the issue. When one side does something wrong we are told to condemn without any 'buts'
Yet Israel has in the past and continues in illegal activities and the thin condemnation always comes with a 'but'

This is how I feel. It feels like Israel will never just own up to their wrongdoings. There is always a but. Peace will never come while Israel won't accept that they are not 100% the victim in everything.

EasterIssland · 07/11/2023 09:46

I just saw this and I don’t agree with it. It should be an independent agency taking care of the security and not them. They should be two independent countries

What should the Israeli government do?
Humdingerydoo · 07/11/2023 09:46

Parkingt111 · 07/11/2023 09:42

I don't quite understand your first paragraph. The illegal settlements are continuing where Israel is illegally taking palestinian land and allowing palestinian hating lunatics to live there and terrorise the people whose land it actually is... because some palestininans say bad things to Israelis?

No, not saying bad things. Doing bad things, like murdering.

Parkingt111 · 07/11/2023 09:46

Humdingerydoo · 07/11/2023 09:40

But the settlers are there and provoking because they got fed up with the constant supply of suicide bombers coming through from the West Bank.

Chicken, meet egg.

It's saying yes we terrorise them and the world condemns us for it because we shouldnt even be there in the first place but they made us do it so blame them

Parkingt111 · 07/11/2023 09:44

Humdingerydoo · 07/11/2023 09:40

But the settlers are there and provoking because they got fed up with the constant supply of suicide bombers coming through from the West Bank.

Chicken, meet egg.

That's a load of rubbish
And by no means gives any sort of justification to illegal settlements
See this is the issue. When one side does something wrong we are told to condemn without any 'buts'
Yet Israel has in the past and continues in illegal activities and the thin condemnation always comes with a 'but'

Parkingt111 · 07/11/2023 09:42

Humdingerydoo · 07/11/2023 09:37

It's continuing because Palestinians in the West Bank are still happily threatening Israelis in Israel on a daily basis so I guess it's a form of "offense is the best defence".

I don't approve of it. The majority of Israelis didn't vote for Netanyahu. But really, people need to stop pretending all Palestinians are peaceful. I'm sure the vast majority are, but there are enough calling for Israel's annihilation that it's a constant threat that can't just be ignored.

Israel needs a new government and the world needs to start encouraging Palestinians to want a two state solution and then maybe one day there can be peace. Hopefully, anyway.

Basically, stop discussing what came first, the chicken or the egg and just move on.

I don't quite understand your first paragraph. The illegal settlements are continuing where Israel is illegally taking palestinian land and allowing palestinian hating lunatics to live there and terrorise the people whose land it actually is... because some palestininans say bad things to Israelis?

Humdingerydoo · 07/11/2023 09:40

Parkingt111 · 07/11/2023 09:36

Have you considered the illegal settlements and settlers are a huge provocation and that they shouldn't be there in the first place.
If the provocation wasn't there then the retaliation that you talk about wouldn't be there either
Its like complaining that people hit back after they were hit first

But the settlers are there and provoking because they got fed up with the constant supply of suicide bombers coming through from the West Bank.

Chicken, meet egg.

Humdingerydoo · 07/11/2023 09:37

Parkingt111 · 07/11/2023 09:31

Its interesting that the majority of pro Israeli posters including some who have said they are citizens of Israel have said this
So if so many are against it then why is it still continuing? And israels plan are to expand further?
The illegal settlements are a huge obstruction on Israels part in there being any sort of peace moving forward
The settlers are nothing short of lunatics and then you have the right wing like Itamir ben gvir who was a settler himself inciting ever more hatred and spurring the settlers on
How is that vile human allowed to be part of israels government?

It's continuing because Palestinians in the West Bank are still happily threatening Israelis in Israel on a daily basis so I guess it's a form of "offense is the best defence".

I don't approve of it. The majority of Israelis didn't vote for Netanyahu. But really, people need to stop pretending all Palestinians are peaceful. I'm sure the vast majority are, but there are enough calling for Israel's annihilation that it's a constant threat that can't just be ignored.

Israel needs a new government and the world needs to start encouraging Palestinians to want a two state solution and then maybe one day there can be peace. Hopefully, anyway.

Basically, stop discussing what came first, the chicken or the egg and just move on.

Parkingt111 · 07/11/2023 09:36

Humdingerydoo · 07/11/2023 09:30

I honestly don't understand what you're saying here.

I think illegal settlements are bad. I think the illegal settlers who are going out and murdering Palestinians are no better than Hamas. But let's be clear - there are plenty of Palestinians from both Gaza and the West Bank doing the exact same thing to Israelis. Not just Israeli settlers either. And I feel like that gets ignored far too often.

Have you considered the illegal settlements and settlers are a huge provocation and that they shouldn't be there in the first place.
If the provocation wasn't there then the retaliation that you talk about wouldn't be there either
Its like complaining that people hit back after they were hit first

OuiOuiKitty · 07/11/2023 09:33

Humdingerydoo · 07/11/2023 09:30

I honestly don't understand what you're saying here.

I think illegal settlements are bad. I think the illegal settlers who are going out and murdering Palestinians are no better than Hamas. But let's be clear - there are plenty of Palestinians from both Gaza and the West Bank doing the exact same thing to Israelis. Not just Israeli settlers either. And I feel like that gets ignored far too often.

Cool. You are entitled to your opinion.

Parkingt111 · 07/11/2023 09:31

Humdingerydoo · 07/11/2023 09:17

I wish it were that obvious - other posters across social media have said similar but clarified they meant that all of Israel is an illegal settlement. So I just wanted to make sure before interacting with you.

I agree, illegal settlers are a big problem in and for the West Bank. They need to go.

Its interesting that the majority of pro Israeli posters including some who have said they are citizens of Israel have said this
So if so many are against it then why is it still continuing? And israels plan are to expand further?
The illegal settlements are a huge obstruction on Israels part in there being any sort of peace moving forward
The settlers are nothing short of lunatics and then you have the right wing like Itamir ben gvir who was a settler himself inciting ever more hatred and spurring the settlers on
How is that vile human allowed to be part of israels government?

Humdingerydoo · 07/11/2023 09:30

OuiOuiKitty · 07/11/2023 09:26

OK. I don't see how you just agreeing that illegal settlements in the West Bank are wrong and need to stop now and waiting to how it went would have been so terrible but you feel the way you feel.

I honestly don't understand what you're saying here.

I think illegal settlements are bad. I think the illegal settlers who are going out and murdering Palestinians are no better than Hamas. But let's be clear - there are plenty of Palestinians from both Gaza and the West Bank doing the exact same thing to Israelis. Not just Israeli settlers either. And I feel like that gets ignored far too often.

OuiOuiKitty · 07/11/2023 09:26

Humdingerydoo · 07/11/2023 09:20

As I already explained, I've previously taken words at face value but it turns out I was wrong to do so. So I sought clarification.

OK. I don't see how you just agreeing that illegal settlements in the West Bank are wrong and need to stop now and waiting to how it went would have been so terrible but you feel the way you feel.

Humdingerydoo · 07/11/2023 09:20

OuiOuiKitty · 07/11/2023 09:18

It didn't come across that way though. Asking a poster to clarify what she is clearly saying does come across as combative. Why wouldn't you assume that someone means what they clearly say until they say otherwise?

As I already explained, I've previously taken words at face value but it turns out I was wrong to do so. So I sought clarification.

OuiOuiKitty · 07/11/2023 09:18

Humdingerydoo · 07/11/2023 09:16

Where was my accusation? I was quite clearly just clarifying 🤦🏻‍♀️ When I've previously assumed that's what someone was talking about it turned out they were referring to all of Israel as an illegal settlement. If that had been what the poster was talking about then I'd obviously not bother talking to them.

It didn't come across that way though. Asking a poster to clarify what she is clearly saying does come across as combative. Why wouldn't you assume that someone means what they clearly say until they say otherwise?

Humdingerydoo · 07/11/2023 09:17

Oliotya · 07/11/2023 09:10

Obviously illegal settlements refers to illegal settlements on land that isn't Israel.

I wish it were that obvious - other posters across social media have said similar but clarified they meant that all of Israel is an illegal settlement. So I just wanted to make sure before interacting with you.

I agree, illegal settlers are a big problem in and for the West Bank. They need to go.

Humdingerydoo · 07/11/2023 09:16

OuiOuiKitty · 07/11/2023 09:10

And stuff like this? Where is the need? She mentioned illegal settlements of course that's what she was talking about. Where is the need for this constant combative, accusatory attitude? It permeates everything in this discussion from Israel supporters and Israel themselves. This constant sense that they just want to shut down any discussions, the end.

Where was my accusation? I was quite clearly just clarifying 🤦🏻‍♀️ When I've previously assumed that's what someone was talking about it turned out they were referring to all of Israel as an illegal settlement. If that had been what the poster was talking about then I'd obviously not bother talking to them.

Oliotya · 07/11/2023 09:10

Humdingerydoo · 07/11/2023 09:04

Are you saying Israel shouldn't exist in the first place? Or are you just talking about settlers in the West Bank?

Obviously illegal settlements refers to illegal settlements on land that isn't Israel.

OuiOuiKitty · 07/11/2023 09:10

Humdingerydoo · 07/11/2023 09:04

Are you saying Israel shouldn't exist in the first place? Or are you just talking about settlers in the West Bank?

And stuff like this? Where is the need? She mentioned illegal settlements of course that's what she was talking about. Where is the need for this constant combative, accusatory attitude? It permeates everything in this discussion from Israel supporters and Israel themselves. This constant sense that they just want to shut down any discussions, the end.

OuiOuiKitty · 07/11/2023 09:08

BTW I'm not saying it will be easy and without hiccups. I'm not saying there hasn't been bad behaviour on both sides but at the end of the day Israel has the power not Palestinians so they are the ones with the power to change things and that has to start with accepting that they have played a role in all of this. The bizarre propaganda, the bizarre but we just want peace whilst operating an apartheid state, the lying, the weird attacks on anyone that doesn't 100% agree with them like accusing Ireland of funding Hamas tunnels and saying Palestians should go to 'Ireland or the desert', having a hissy fit when the UN calls them out, accusing human rights charities of being antisemitic when they don't agree with them. It's all so odd and so combative and so unnecessary. Just own your shit and deal with it like adults or this is never going to be fixed but personally I don't believe Israel want peace, they want Palestinians gone.

Humdingerydoo · 07/11/2023 09:04

Oliotya · 07/11/2023 08:55

Best way to get along with your neighbours is to stay out of their garden. As long as illegal settlements continue, Israel is making so real efforts towards peace.

Are you saying Israel shouldn't exist in the first place? Or are you just talking about settlers in the West Bank?

Humdingerydoo · 07/11/2023 09:03

OuiOuiKitty · 07/11/2023 08:53

I'm sure the intent wasn't to create an apartheid state but that's what they did. Of course it's a 2 way street but look at the Palestinians in the West Bank, they do everything 'right' they quietly live in their shacks in Area C because Israel won't let them build houses, they endure humiliation and being treated like second class citizens but still that's not good enough for Israel. They still kick them out of their homes. There is no evidence at all to suggest that Israel believes Palestinians have the right to exist peacefully without being terrorised. Why would you like the people who have driven you out of your homes and treated you like crap? Allow people to prosper and they will respect you, respect is earned, it can't be demanded.

No, they didn't create an apartheid state. They created a state. Stop using inflammatory language just for the sake of it.

Your description of people living in the West Bank is inaccurate. They don't all just live there quietly. A lot of them try to attack and kill Israelis on a regular basis, and have been doing so for decades. You just don't hear about it because the settlers are currently behaving just as badly and as they're Israeli, they're the preferred bad guys. But really, they're all as bad as each other.

No evidence at all that Israel believes Palestinians deserve peaceful lives? You've clearly not been paying very close attention to the news in recent years. How many Israelis do you think actually voted for Netanyahu? You seem to think it's some kind of majority 🤦🏻‍♀️

Anyway, I have zero interest in arguing with you. Arguing with someone who is blaming one side for absolutely everything is a waste of my time.

Oliotya · 07/11/2023 08:55

Humdingerydoo · 07/11/2023 08:45

They created a state that was then attacked by all surrounding states, resulting in today's situation. The intention was never for it to be a state constantly at war but 75 years later, here we are.

Peace will also never happen until Palestinians accept that Israel also deserves to exist. It's all a two-way street.

Best way to get along with your neighbours is to stay out of their garden. As long as illegal settlements continue, Israel is making so real efforts towards peace.

OuiOuiKitty · 07/11/2023 08:53

Humdingerydoo · 07/11/2023 08:45

They created a state that was then attacked by all surrounding states, resulting in today's situation. The intention was never for it to be a state constantly at war but 75 years later, here we are.

Peace will also never happen until Palestinians accept that Israel also deserves to exist. It's all a two-way street.

I'm sure the intent wasn't to create an apartheid state but that's what they did. Of course it's a 2 way street but look at the Palestinians in the West Bank, they do everything 'right' they quietly live in their shacks in Area C because Israel won't let them build houses, they endure humiliation and being treated like second class citizens but still that's not good enough for Israel. They still kick them out of their homes. There is no evidence at all to suggest that Israel believes Palestinians have the right to exist peacefully without being terrorised. Why would you like the people who have driven you out of your homes and treated you like crap? Allow people to prosper and they will respect you, respect is earned, it can't be demanded.

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