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Anti Semetism IS happening

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AbsoluteYawns · 04/11/2023 23:41

and in my opinion it's a direct result of people turning a blind eye to and excusing the horror of hamas and everything they stand for. It's allowed open season on anti Jewish hate. This has happened TODAY in France.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/11/04/woman-stabbed-lyon-france-antisemitic-attack-israel-hamas/

French woman stabbed on doorstep in anti-Semitic attack

The Jewish woman was stabbed twice at her home in Lyon before police found a swastika drawn on her front door

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/11/04/woman-stabbed-lyon-france-antisemitic-attack-israel-hamas

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DevonWindyWeather · 07/11/2023 21:35

Mollymodel · 07/11/2023 13:04

In what way are the children of Gaza to blame for what Hamas did?

The thread is about 'anti semitism is happening' and you pop up in the middle of the thread asking 'in what way are the children of Gaza to blame for what Hamas did'. Since NO ONE has said they are could it be that you posted a completely random comment on this thread that was meant for another thread?

Humdingerydoo · 07/11/2023 21:30

tobeornottobe1 · 07/11/2023 20:53

Seriously,
The sign says Nazi Israel,,
The terrorist state demand's international financial support ,
2.4 million Palestinians being forced into Sinai where they will be slowly exterminated, like my family was by Nazi Germany.

She was arrested for saying Israel is committing a holocaust against Palestinians in Gaza.

So now tell me, if this was a Muslim woman with a head scarf on, she would have been arrested and people would have been jumping up and down saying anti semitism is real!

My issue is anyone that has something to say about Israel is either antisemitic or "controversial"

No, that's definitely not all it says. You've not made any mention of the words "final solution" so I know it's definitely not accurate. I can't see the whole thing even in the second link someone posted but I know your version isn't complete.

I don't understand why you're so adamant this lady was falsely accused of anti-Semitism when you don't know what she said. I really don't understand you doubling-down on it. It's ridiculous.

DevonWindyWeather · 07/11/2023 21:24

HoldOnMiGenna · 07/11/2023 16:45

Israel isn't a Nazi state. Nazism has a definitive, not emotional definition.
And in no way is Israeli attacks upon Gaza , where Gazans die reminiscent of the root and branch stated aim of Nazi Germany's getting rid of worldwide Jewish people.
In fact going by the definition of an organisation or state's aim being the elimination of a people simply because of their ethnicity, it is Hamas who are the Nazis. Also the way that Hamas sets up Gazan society, women as broodmares to produce fodder for the "liberation cause" , the brainwashing of children and encouraging them to Smith on 'bad Gazans" and setting Hamas up to be the uncontested government by force and subjugation of Gazans cloaked in " on behalf of the glory of The Cause" and being a part of the anti Israel/ Jewish Axis which includes Iran and Qatar and aiming to destroy any neighbouring allyship with Israel is very Hitler like.
Hamas is even trying to emotionally blackmail Egypt , demanding she take in injured Palestinians as a condition of Hamas agreeing to a ceasefire.....knowing that Egypt wants no parts of Palestinian intake due to the very high risk of terrorist/ brainwashed Gazans entering Egypt in order to put a large battery in the back of the barely contained Muslim Brotherhood....like last time.
Very pre war Germany and Austria.
And the fact that one side is defending itself and the other is seeking to destroy a state and it's people and is on the losing side due to casualties, does not make the losing side who broke the previous ceasefire the Good Guys or the winning side the "Nazis".
There is a reason why if beaten to a pulp on somebody's doorstep , the police will consider if the beaten up person went to that person's home to start shit and if the person used justifiable self defence . That one's arse was kicked will far from guarantee a prosecution for the person defending themselves, especially if they asked for the beaten up person to leave, but the beaten up person put their foot in to prevent the door being closed on them and fuckry ensued that didn't fall in their favour.....
In war, stated intentions and patterns of behaviour count . Casualties have always been an afterthought and a certain expectation. Hamas already considered Gazan lives more unimportant than destroying Israel. That's not a valid opinion, but straight from the horse's mouth.
Just like Hitler kept on going even as Germany was certain to lose, ignoring high command and having deserters shot, Berlin turned to rubble whilst he and his lived good in the bunkers, because the Nazis had no love for Germany or Germans. Both were a convenient conduit to use to espouse the barbarism of their trying to make the world in the image in their mind.
Just like Hamas and allies want an Islamist , Jew free world and Palestinian suffrage is a convenient conduit to use to perpetrate their inner barbarism.
So if one is going to fling "Nazi" after Israel....they don't know one hundredth of what Nazism is, because if they did, they would recognise it in Gaza, Hamas and a fair amount of Middle Eastern countries, especially as their Jewish and Christian populations have " withered" to insignificance by violent contrivement.

Yes this

Itsaharddlife · 07/11/2023 21:16

I haven't been to any of these marches and haven't really seen any signs that I would consider to be anti semitic. If there are then I thimk that's terrible and if anything does more harm than good to the palestinain cause.
However I have seen many racist remarks on social media and in comment sections of articles which say something along the gist of "tell them to go and fight in palestine, if they care so much" or "go back to your own countries if you don't like it here, but then you wouldnt be able to claim all the benefits etc"
To be fair the "go back to your own country" is one I'm used to hearing

Xenia · 07/11/2023 21:06

There are lots of strong feelings and very different views (which in a sense is why the UK is the best nation on the planet - freedom of speech etc although it makes it hard to police it at times). No one should live in fear in the UK (other than criminals who break the law). I live in North London near several synagogues (and churches) and a mosque is not too far away either. In general out here most people live in peace and mind their own business. However the synagogues for decades have always had to have guards outside and I see they have upped that to 2 or 3 men rather than just one or two recently. The Christian churches so far do not need guards. I am not sure about the mosque as it is a bit further away.

Fairtobefairohhhhhc · 07/11/2023 20:55

I haven't seen any one say anything about Jewish people on the pro palestine protests. They speak against zionists. But not jewish people.

tobeornottobe1 · 07/11/2023 20:53

Humdingerydoo · 07/11/2023 18:33

@ProvincialLady1
I personally don't agree that Israel should be compared to the Nazis. I was just hoping the poster who was adamant the lady in the video couldn't possibly be anti-semitic would realise how ridiculous she was being for defending someone when she has zero clue what she is defending. We don't know what the sign says so therefore we can't really make a judgement on if she's anti-semitic or not. I'm assuming it said a lot worse things than "Nazi Israel" for the police to have gotten involved, but I really don't know for sure.

My point is that the other poster also has zero clue why the police got involved but has nonetheless decided the lady in the video had said nothing wrong 🤦🏻‍♀️ Absolute idiocy.

Seriously,
The sign says Nazi Israel,,
The terrorist state demand's international financial support ,
2.4 million Palestinians being forced into Sinai where they will be slowly exterminated, like my family was by Nazi Germany.

She was arrested for saying Israel is committing a holocaust against Palestinians in Gaza.

So now tell me, if this was a Muslim woman with a head scarf on, she would have been arrested and people would have been jumping up and down saying anti semitism is real!

My issue is anyone that has something to say about Israel is either antisemitic or "controversial"

Humdingerydoo · 07/11/2023 18:33

@ProvincialLady1
I personally don't agree that Israel should be compared to the Nazis. I was just hoping the poster who was adamant the lady in the video couldn't possibly be anti-semitic would realise how ridiculous she was being for defending someone when she has zero clue what she is defending. We don't know what the sign says so therefore we can't really make a judgement on if she's anti-semitic or not. I'm assuming it said a lot worse things than "Nazi Israel" for the police to have gotten involved, but I really don't know for sure.

My point is that the other poster also has zero clue why the police got involved but has nonetheless decided the lady in the video had said nothing wrong 🤦🏻‍♀️ Absolute idiocy.

ProvincialLady1 · 07/11/2023 18:10

Fallenangelofthenorth · 07/11/2023 18:07

I apologise, I thought I was responding to the poster who made the comment about @Humdingerydoo being visually impaired, but I see I was wrong. It's become a bit of a bear pit on this board.

No problem!

Fallenangelofthenorth · 07/11/2023 18:07

ProvincialLady1 · 07/11/2023 17:57

Yes, it is antisemitic even if that's all the sign says. Israel are not comparable to Nazi Germany and it's a foul comparison to make.

I apologise, I thought I was responding to the poster who made the comment about @Humdingerydoo being visually impaired, but I see I was wrong. It's become a bit of a bear pit on this board.

lyingonthebeach · 07/11/2023 18:03

This is very interesting. As a British Jew (Grand daughter of someone who fled the obvious) who has worked in many Muslim countries, I have reached a stage when I just need to rant out of disbelief....................

Douglas Murray: This is About Survival

Douglas Murray is a British writer and political commentator. He is an associate editor of the Spectator and a columnist at the Telegraph and the New York Po...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqzdnPjPhW0

ProvincialLady1 · 07/11/2023 17:59

Fallenangelofthenorth · 07/11/2023 16:17

The sign clearly says a LOT more than Nazi Israel. Presumably, since you're not visually impared yourself, you'll be able to share what the other words are?

I made out the FINAL SOLUTION on the second line, but can't make out the rest of it, as admittedly my eyesight isn't as good as yours.

No need for the snark thank you. I think the first two words were a clear indication as to the content of the sign, and no I didn't read the whole thing or particularly try to.

ProvincialLady1 · 07/11/2023 17:57

Humdingerydoo · 07/11/2023 16:18

Right so if that's all the sign says then no, she's not saying anything anti-semitic. But that's not all the sign says, is it?

Yes, it is antisemitic even if that's all the sign says. Israel are not comparable to Nazi Germany and it's a foul comparison to make.

HoldOnMiGenna · 07/11/2023 16:45

Israel isn't a Nazi state. Nazism has a definitive, not emotional definition.
And in no way is Israeli attacks upon Gaza , where Gazans die reminiscent of the root and branch stated aim of Nazi Germany's getting rid of worldwide Jewish people.
In fact going by the definition of an organisation or state's aim being the elimination of a people simply because of their ethnicity, it is Hamas who are the Nazis. Also the way that Hamas sets up Gazan society, women as broodmares to produce fodder for the "liberation cause" , the brainwashing of children and encouraging them to Smith on 'bad Gazans" and setting Hamas up to be the uncontested government by force and subjugation of Gazans cloaked in " on behalf of the glory of The Cause" and being a part of the anti Israel/ Jewish Axis which includes Iran and Qatar and aiming to destroy any neighbouring allyship with Israel is very Hitler like.
Hamas is even trying to emotionally blackmail Egypt , demanding she take in injured Palestinians as a condition of Hamas agreeing to a ceasefire.....knowing that Egypt wants no parts of Palestinian intake due to the very high risk of terrorist/ brainwashed Gazans entering Egypt in order to put a large battery in the back of the barely contained Muslim Brotherhood....like last time.
Very pre war Germany and Austria.
And the fact that one side is defending itself and the other is seeking to destroy a state and it's people and is on the losing side due to casualties, does not make the losing side who broke the previous ceasefire the Good Guys or the winning side the "Nazis".
There is a reason why if beaten to a pulp on somebody's doorstep , the police will consider if the beaten up person went to that person's home to start shit and if the person used justifiable self defence . That one's arse was kicked will far from guarantee a prosecution for the person defending themselves, especially if they asked for the beaten up person to leave, but the beaten up person put their foot in to prevent the door being closed on them and fuckry ensued that didn't fall in their favour.....
In war, stated intentions and patterns of behaviour count . Casualties have always been an afterthought and a certain expectation. Hamas already considered Gazan lives more unimportant than destroying Israel. That's not a valid opinion, but straight from the horse's mouth.
Just like Hitler kept on going even as Germany was certain to lose, ignoring high command and having deserters shot, Berlin turned to rubble whilst he and his lived good in the bunkers, because the Nazis had no love for Germany or Germans. Both were a convenient conduit to use to espouse the barbarism of their trying to make the world in the image in their mind.
Just like Hamas and allies want an Islamist , Jew free world and Palestinian suffrage is a convenient conduit to use to perpetrate their inner barbarism.
So if one is going to fling "Nazi" after Israel....they don't know one hundredth of what Nazism is, because if they did, they would recognise it in Gaza, Hamas and a fair amount of Middle Eastern countries, especially as their Jewish and Christian populations have " withered" to insignificance by violent contrivement.

Alveus · 07/11/2023 16:26

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So it should be up to Jewish people to stop anti-Semitism? Is that what you're saying?

Humdingerydoo · 07/11/2023 16:18

ProvincialLady1 · 07/11/2023 16:10

As I said in a previous post, it starts with the words 'Nazi Israel'.

Right so if that's all the sign says then no, she's not saying anything anti-semitic. But that's not all the sign says, is it?

Fallenangelofthenorth · 07/11/2023 16:17

ProvincialLady1 · 07/11/2023 16:10

As I said in a previous post, it starts with the words 'Nazi Israel'.

The sign clearly says a LOT more than Nazi Israel. Presumably, since you're not visually impared yourself, you'll be able to share what the other words are?

I made out the FINAL SOLUTION on the second line, but can't make out the rest of it, as admittedly my eyesight isn't as good as yours.

ProvincialLady1 · 07/11/2023 16:10

Humdingerydoo · 07/11/2023 15:56

You're telling me you can actually read that sign? The whole sign? Not just two of the words but the whole thing? That's great, then please let me know exactly what it says word for word so we can discuss whether or not the contents are anti-Semitic

As I said in a previous post, it starts with the words 'Nazi Israel'.

happyl · 07/11/2023 16:02

one of the organisers of the march led Hamas in the West Bank for gods sake. And now lives in London. In fact police believe over half the groups organising the march have links to Hamas. But yeah, people marching don't support Hamas. Whatever.

Humdingerydoo · 07/11/2023 15:56

tobeornottobe1 · 07/11/2023 13:58

@Humdingerydoo

Sorry I didn't realise you was visually impaired, as you said you saw the video however you could not read the sign around her neck, which is fairly obvious what the issue is and why she was arrested. If you could hear, she was arrested for allegedly being antisemetic in calling Israel a Nazi state!
So you either agree or don't agree with her arrest it's not hard is it, stop gaslighting and pissing around.

You're telling me you can actually read that sign? The whole sign? Not just two of the words but the whole thing? That's great, then please let me know exactly what it says word for word so we can discuss whether or not the contents are anti-Semitic

tobeornottobe1 · 07/11/2023 14:46

nopenotplaying · 07/11/2023 14:01

I am reading the book Born Survivors by Wendy Holden. It's a true story about 3 women who gave birth in Auschwitz. I'm only a little way through but it's horrific. I hadn't really grasped the horror in such detail before. Hamas are terrorists there is no room for whatabouts here.

Terrible,
In 20 years from now, let's all read a book about 5000+ women who had to have a cesarean section without any anaesthetic, because humanity failed them.

Mollymodel · 07/11/2023 14:39

ketchup07070 · 07/11/2023 14:37

@cejn I agree that either killing innocent people is wrong or it isn't. I don't understand the position that killing innocents by one side is wrong, but killing innocents by the other side is right. It is not logical.

No indeed.

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