Anti Semetism IS happening

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It's been reported that 50% of the march's organisers have links to Hamas. Other groups such as the Convoy4Palestine, who drove around London shouting anti-Semitic intimidation before, are also planning to go. I think the march is in deliberate poor taste but I don't think it should be banned. Those attending can't claim that they aren't standing shoulder-to-shoulder with a considerable contingent of Islamofascists; they need to acknowledge it and own it. I hope everyone caught being violent, destructive and threatening is arrested (and that includes any EDL types who, let's face it, will probably pick on some inane but well-meaning types and not their counterpart Islamist thugs). I really hope the security services are watching the crowd so they know who is likely to be planning October 7th style massacres for some UK village or small town. When some of these people commit acts of terrorism, I hope people remember who they marched with.

I have just seen ( I think it was sky news but i may be mistaken) that it says half of all people in the uk polled do not want the marches to go ahead on armistice day.

I think it could be very divisive.

@Fairtobefairohhhhhc I am not really sure who you are talking about?
Do you mean Israeli parents burying their children after being murdered at a peaceful rave? Or the whole families murdered in the kibbutz attacks?
Some dictators? What dictators?

As Douglas Murray asked Piers Morgan, If you went on a march for good reasons but found you were marching with the BNP calling for the death of all black people, would you go on the march in week 2?

@starborne no. Shame on the people justifying the genocide on here. Trying to say pro palestinian marches are anti semitic. They really aren't.

Shame on them for being concerned about rising anti-Semitism?

I hope there won't be a massive load of trouble this weekend and those on the marches are a huge mix of different people from British Corbynites to some Hamas supporters to some fed anti Jewish propaganda from the cradle in UK fundamentalist mosques.

The police are saying the marches in London will avoid areas where we are remembering the WWI and II deaths so hopefully that will work out okay. I agree that there will be people on both sides although the fact poppy sellers (often elderly) in the UK seem to be avoiding stations because of harrassment from pro palestinians is not a good sign for freedoms.

On this point
"There's a deep irony that we cannot exercise freedoms because it is disrespectful to those that died to give us those freedoms..>" my view is as it was for the coronation. There is a time and place. If once in 70 years those of us who are monarchists are out there for the Queen's Funeral or coronation of the King it may be a good time to lay off the protests; just as I am against protestors right by abortion clinics where vulnerable women are sneaking in to abort a baby; and similarly on the one day a year we remember the war dead - if the marches could stop as a sign of respect that would be good. Perhaps Just stop oil could use it as a day to block every palestinian march in its tracks as they have been doing so much road blocking recently in London.

There's some crazy evil people on here.

God help you all. And I hope none of you ever have to go through what I have seen all these parents go through. Burying your child for some dictators pleasure and greed.

Shame on you all.

...the peace marchers (and yes a nasty fringe element can be attracted to any protests

These aren't peace marches per se but pro Palestine marches and so inevitably antisemites will be attracted to them. They're hardly a fringe element. You cannot reframe a march to make it what you would like it be seen as.

Why should there be a 'massive load of trouble'?
If so it would absolutely be because the pro-Israel mindset and our government is whipping up the hate against the peace marchers (and yes a nasty fringe element can be attracted to any protests, but arrests and trouble has been very minimal especially considering the size and frequency of the march.)

Why don't people respect that both parties -remembrance and Palestinian supporters - are of the same mind i.e. pro-peace? There is nothing sacred about one group of dead over another...

@Xenia Where did you get the idea that palestinian supporters hate the British state? It worries me how much everyone listens to the government and doesn't use their own brain. But also in the same breath complains about the government.

The world has officially gone mad

In many, many cases those UK people observing remembrance of our dead in all wars and those calling for peace are the same people.

Im disgusted by the politicization of remembrance and stoking of division led but our Government over the issue.

I would absolutely be against any march if it disturbed the silence for those that choose to observe it or the ceremonies where communities across the country come together on Sunday.
It will do neither.

There's a deep irony that we cannot exercise freedoms because it is disrespectful to those that died to give us those freedoms especially when it will have no impact on individual or collective Remembrance

I'm not arguing with you. No point. I'm pointing out some things that you appear to have missed.

I hope that helps? Have a nice day 😊

Women can believe and say things which are misogynistic ( as this site attests all the time), gays and lesbians can do and say things which are homophobic and yes, people of Jewish heritage can do and say things which are anti-Semitic.

This should not be a surprise as none of us are a hive mind with everyone of the same protected characteristic as us.

Agree.

The marches will calm down in a few weeks, but not after a massive load of trouble with the 67m UK people remembering our dead of the world wars v Palestinian supporters in the UK many of whom hate the British state, our values and dislike our army making their presence felt - it may not be a great weekend on that front but let us hope there can be respect and silence to remember the British dead in the world wars.

I'm not surprised about your response. Having read your other posts, you cant even garner any sympathy for innocent children, so not going to bother arguing with you.
I stick by what I said. Antisemitism is wrong, islamaphobia is also wrong. Any racism/discrimation is wrong. You carry on hating and wobbling your head.

This thread is about 'anti semitism is happening ' you then pontificate that you haven't seen it. Well done you.

Do you do the same with black life's matter pop along to proudly post that 'you haven't seen it'.

If you then pop on to explain how 'both sides suffer discrimination' .... if you do have a think about what you are saying. Really think it through! 🤔

PS referencing your OWN experiences and making it about you and what you see... it isn't about you!

Did you actually read what I said? I haven't been on the marches and haven't looked into them either, so I have no knowledge of these anitsemtic posts! Not denying people are writing them just that I havent comr across them myself! Get a life, honestly just looking for an argument.

The purpose of my post was to express sympathy which is why I said I think it's terrible if people are making antiemtic boards/posts.

I like how you chose to pick at what I'd written but completely avoided the second half of my post about how both sides suffer discrimination. I was trying to sympathise by referencing my own experience not denying someone else's.

Ah so you haven't been on the marches and haven't seen any signs YOU consider to be anti semitic 🙄right then, thanks for that. What on earth are people worried out/complaining about/nothing to see here because YOU SAY SO!

Give your head a wobble 😳

All of this

Great post! Thank you!!!

@Morethandis I agree. Very well written. Abd the best post I gave seen by far I think

Genocide: The deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.

Both Hamas and the Israeli govt/military are guilty of this.

Holocaust: destruction or slaughter on a mass scale, especially caused by fire or nuclear war.

What ‘mass scale’ means here in numbers, I don’t know. If killing 1500 out of 9.2 million Israelis then Hamas are guilty of this too. In this current conflict, Hamas are also guilty of kidnap and destruction of a number of border fences, community houses and possessions and a military base with fire.

Killing 10000 of a trapped, sieged, displaced ethnic group of 2.1 million deprived of food, water, medicine and humanitarian aid while hospitals, homes, universities and refugee camps are bombed and roads across a whole territory peeled up is a holocaust.

There are decades of ongoing efforts by Zionist Israeli govt to impose social deprivation on Palestinians - that is to dissolve a population through control of civil infrastructure and economy, and to dispossess of land. Basically making it impossible for Palestinians to thrive.

There are decades of retaliative guerrilla violence from Hamas on innocent Israelis. Retaliation by a resource-rich Israeli govt for Hamas attacks are often scaled up to amass a body count of 3x more deaths than the initial attack imposed. That number is now much higher than that.

Hamas do also control the of government in Palestine. No one under 38 has ever voted. That’s over 75% of Gaza. Improper use of funds and aid by Hamas are also a large barrier to Palestinians thriving. However developing their society with infrastructure such as airports or university education becomes futile, as these soon become the targets for Israeli military bombing.

There are many people who are liberal Muslim, Christian and other living in Gaza.
To say the Palestinian society is set up where ‘women are broodmares’ to make ‘children for war fodder’ is a reductive, dehumanising and disturbing view. Even if that was the case, it takes indiscriminate violence against them by the Israeli govt for them to become that war fodder.

The same could be said of Jewish belief of pru u'rvu', and also the Israeli government settlement programme of putting poorer Jewish families in accommodations to occupy communities and new territory from Palestinians, where they are sure to be met with aggression.

There are no innocent parties between these governments. The people who pay are Israeli and Palestinian civilians, and those who share their beliefs.

There is antisemitism in the uk and there is also Islamophobia, with a rise in both.

There will be no winners here unless someone shows compassion. Just a lot of hurt.