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Anti Semetism IS happening

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AbsoluteYawns · 04/11/2023 23:41

and in my opinion it's a direct result of people turning a blind eye to and excusing the horror of hamas and everything they stand for. It's allowed open season on anti Jewish hate. This has happened TODAY in France.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/11/04/woman-stabbed-lyon-france-antisemitic-attack-israel-hamas/

French woman stabbed on doorstep in anti-Semitic attack

The Jewish woman was stabbed twice at her home in Lyon before police found a swastika drawn on her front door

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/11/04/woman-stabbed-lyon-france-antisemitic-attack-israel-hamas

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Xenia · 09/11/2023 18:46

May be the answer is atheism. If Palestinians abandoned their non existent God and saw the light all this would go away. Perhaps nothing and no one is Godsorsaken and it is the invented Gods of the Middle East of Christians, Jews and Muslims which is the core issue - religion as devil, extremism coming from religion as moral wrong.

Anyway like all things this will end and as said above hopefully the police can keep Hamas extremists away from the 67m British remembering their war dead.

aswarmofmidges · 09/11/2023 18:16

How would you describe the killing of over ten thousand people in a few short weeks, around half children , without using words like horrific ?

Twillow · 09/11/2023 17:45

25milesfromhome · 09/11/2023 16:57

It’s extremely offensive to call Gaza a piece of godforsaken land.

Apologies if offence caused. It feels god-forsaken at the moment was my intention.

25milesfromhome · 09/11/2023 16:57

It’s extremely offensive to call Gaza a piece of godforsaken land.

Twillow · 09/11/2023 16:45

hologramvirus · 09/11/2023 16:42

I mean honestly, this post is like buzzword bingo of cliches. No need for arguments. Just shout out ‘genocide!’ And ‘haters!’ ( 100 bonus points for that one as the ultimate sign of a non-thinking tribe follower). You need to add in ‘nazi’ and ‘fascist’ for a full house there!

Yes, what's happening in the Gaza strip is hilarious.
A piece of god-forsaken land much smaller than London. With no safe place to be.
Ha bloody ha to your game of bingo.

hologramvirus · 09/11/2023 16:42

Twillow · 09/11/2023 16:28

This. ❤

The people calling out the peace marchers as Hamas supporters and oh so ironically turning a blind eye to genocide are the ones full of hate. So sad.

I mean honestly, this post is like buzzword bingo of cliches. No need for arguments. Just shout out ‘genocide!’ And ‘haters!’ ( 100 bonus points for that one as the ultimate sign of a non-thinking tribe follower). You need to add in ‘nazi’ and ‘fascist’ for a full house there!

hologramvirus · 09/11/2023 16:34

Twillow · 09/11/2023 16:28

This. ❤

The people calling out the peace marchers as Hamas supporters and oh so ironically turning a blind eye to genocide are the ones full of hate. So sad.

What predictable yet utter bollocks.

hologramvirus · 09/11/2023 16:32

MrTiddlesTheCat · 09/11/2023 15:44

They're organised by supporters and members of Hamas to advance the aims of Hamas. One of the aims of Hamas is the obliteration of the jewish people. You don't get more antisemitic than that.

If you can look at the brutal and racist torture, rape and murder of children, women and men on October 7th and your reaction is to turn your face away from those victims so totally that you immediately, even when the Jewish community is reeling and traumatized, go on a march for another group of people, then you have so dehumanized the Jewish people that you think they are not deserving of caring or concern no matter what brutality befalls them. Then yes, you have, even if unconsciously, absorbed an anti-Semitic worldview.

Twillow · 09/11/2023 16:28

Morethandis · 09/11/2023 15:48

There are certainly ill minded people, anti-Semitic people, and those with extremist interest who have joined the march. There is no denying they are there. They are virtually nothing in a sea of 500,000 people who are marching for Gaza to live. Simply live. Not from the river to the sea. Not at with the annihilation of Israel.

Many who attend aren’t even partially versed on the drawn out conflict between Israeli and Palestinian governments through the decades. But people do see the suffering right now through war on Gaza, which is a sustained attack on innocent people, which is - and I stress this point - supported by our government. The vast majority of marchers want the war to stop. They are lobbying their government to do that.

If our governments supported an ongoing bombardment of Israel, you can bet 500,000 people would turn up to support the existence of Israel. I absolutely would be one of them.

This. ❤

The people calling out the peace marchers as Hamas supporters and oh so ironically turning a blind eye to genocide are the ones full of hate. So sad.

Fairtobefairohhhhhc · 09/11/2023 15:54

@MrTiddlesTheCat oh OK! So by the logic of Israel.... maybe they should blow up everywhere there a protest is happening because hamas is there too! Because that their argument for everything....

Doesn't that sound stupid!

Morethandis · 09/11/2023 15:48

There are certainly ill minded people, anti-Semitic people, and those with extremist interest who have joined the march. There is no denying they are there. They are virtually nothing in a sea of 500,000 people who are marching for Gaza to live. Simply live. Not from the river to the sea. Not at with the annihilation of Israel.

Many who attend aren’t even partially versed on the drawn out conflict between Israeli and Palestinian governments through the decades. But people do see the suffering right now through war on Gaza, which is a sustained attack on innocent people, which is - and I stress this point - supported by our government. The vast majority of marchers want the war to stop. They are lobbying their government to do that.

If our governments supported an ongoing bombardment of Israel, you can bet 500,000 people would turn up to support the existence of Israel. I absolutely would be one of them.

MrTiddlesTheCat · 09/11/2023 15:44

Fairtobefairohhhhhc · 09/11/2023 10:50

@starborne no. Shame on the people justifying the genocide on here. Trying to say pro palestinian marches are anti semitic. They really aren't.

They're organised by supporters and members of Hamas to advance the aims of Hamas. One of the aims of Hamas is the obliteration of the jewish people. You don't get more antisemitic than that.

backtowinter · 09/11/2023 15:33

ScribblingPixie · 09/11/2023 10:52

As Douglas Murray asked Piers Morgan, If you went on a march for good reasons but found you were marching with the BNP calling for the death of all black people, would you go on the march in week 2?

I "loved" this clip from
Twitter

British students and they haven't the first clue

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backtowinter · 09/11/2023 15:29

Fairtobefairohhhhhc · 09/11/2023 10:16

There's some crazy evil people on here.

God help you all. And I hope none of you ever have to go through what I have seen all these parents go through. Burying your child for some dictators pleasure and greed.

Shame on you all.

Shame on you all???

Who exactly.

I'm not ashamed.

MableT · 09/11/2023 14:21

hologramvirus · 09/11/2023 14:15

Some-one who talks derogatorily about a ‘Pro-Israel mindset’ is a lot closer to the ‘whipping up hate’ politicians they deride, than the ‘pro-peace’ activists they claim to admire.

Indeed. Can't take that post seriously when rememberance is placed in equivalents to those marches.

hologramvirus · 09/11/2023 14:15

Twillow · 09/11/2023 09:09

Why should there be a 'massive load of trouble'?
If so it would absolutely be because the pro-Israel mindset and our government is whipping up the hate against the peace marchers (and yes a nasty fringe element can be attracted to any protests, but arrests and trouble has been very minimal especially considering the size and frequency of the march.)

Why don't people respect that both parties -remembrance and Palestinian supporters - are of the same mind i.e. pro-peace? There is nothing sacred about one group of dead over another...

Some-one who talks derogatorily about a ‘Pro-Israel mindset’ is a lot closer to the ‘whipping up hate’ politicians they deride, than the ‘pro-peace’ activists they claim to admire.

EasternStandard · 09/11/2023 13:04

AgingDisgracefullyHere · 09/11/2023 12:46

I saw some cadets selling poppies verbally attacked this week in Bury Town centre. One of them was crying.

Tensions are very high, for sure.

All this is so sad

MableT · 09/11/2023 13:04

Can't get over those poor cadets being harassed for selling poppies. 😢 I bet the parents of the one who was crying are fuming.

MableT · 09/11/2023 13:01

ScribblingPixie · 09/11/2023 10:52

As Douglas Murray asked Piers Morgan, If you went on a march for good reasons but found you were marching with the BNP calling for the death of all black people, would you go on the march in week 2?

What a great question!!

MableT · 09/11/2023 12:53

SovietSpy · 09/11/2023 12:51

Agree, the main March will stay to the route and probably largely be uneventful apart from the nasty placards and chanting. But afterwards? That’s when the issues start and I fully expect groups of people to splinter off and head to the places they have been told not to go.

You just know it. It will be a different matter on Sunday because the cowards won't even try to take on our armed forces. Would love to see them try, with the King being present. Security will be top notch.

SovietSpy · 09/11/2023 12:51

MableT · 09/11/2023 12:43

The organisers can say they will avoid the cenotaph but you can guarantee the trouble makers will head there. The Met have got this wrong.

Agree, the main March will stay to the route and probably largely be uneventful apart from the nasty placards and chanting. But afterwards? That’s when the issues start and I fully expect groups of people to splinter off and head to the places they have been told not to go.

MableT · 09/11/2023 12:51

AgingDisgracefullyHere · 09/11/2023 12:46

I saw some cadets selling poppies verbally attacked this week in Bury Town centre. One of them was crying.

Tensions are very high, for sure.

That is just shocking. The abusers are fortunate to have got away with that. Put a couple of heavies there and it would have been a different matter.

AgingDisgracefullyHere · 09/11/2023 12:46

I saw some cadets selling poppies verbally attacked this week in Bury Town centre. One of them was crying.

Tensions are very high, for sure.

MableT · 09/11/2023 12:43

Xenia · 09/11/2023 10:36

I hope there won't be a massive load of trouble this weekend and those on the marches are a huge mix of different people from British Corbynites to some Hamas supporters to some fed anti Jewish propaganda from the cradle in UK fundamentalist mosques.

The police are saying the marches in London will avoid areas where we are remembering the WWI and II deaths so hopefully that will work out okay. I agree that there will be people on both sides although the fact poppy sellers (often elderly) in the UK seem to be avoiding stations because of harrassment from pro palestinians is not a good sign for freedoms.

On this point
"There's a deep irony that we cannot exercise freedoms because it is disrespectful to those that died to give us those freedoms..>" my view is as it was for the coronation. There is a time and place. If once in 70 years those of us who are monarchists are out there for the Queen's Funeral or coronation of the King it may be a good time to lay off the protests; just as I am against protestors right by abortion clinics where vulnerable women are sneaking in to abort a baby; and similarly on the one day a year we remember the war dead - if the marches could stop as a sign of respect that would be good. Perhaps Just stop oil could use it as a day to block every palestinian march in its tracks as they have been doing so much road blocking recently in London.

The organisers can say they will avoid the cenotaph but you can guarantee the trouble makers will head there. The Met have got this wrong.

SovietSpy · 09/11/2023 12:42

EsmaCannonball · 09/11/2023 12:24

It's been reported that 50% of the march's organisers have links to Hamas. Other groups such as the Convoy4Palestine, who drove around London shouting anti-Semitic intimidation before, are also planning to go. I think the march is in deliberate poor taste but I don't think it should be banned. Those attending can't claim that they aren't standing shoulder-to-shoulder with a considerable contingent of Islamofascists; they need to acknowledge it and own it. I hope everyone caught being violent, destructive and threatening is arrested (and that includes any EDL types who, let's face it, will probably pick on some inane but well-meaning types and not their counterpart Islamist thugs). I really hope the security services are watching the crowd so they know who is likely to be planning October 7th style massacres for some UK village or small town. When some of these people commit acts of terrorism, I hope people remember who they marched with.

Indeed. Salman Abedi, who killed 22 people in a terrorist attack at Manchester Arena, was pictured at a Palestinian solidarity campaign rally two years before the attack.
I agree it shouldn’t be banned but those attending should be very concerned with the organisers links and as a result, the kind individual that will be attracted to attend.

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