Anti Semetism IS happening

@Reallifelurker that was not the same thing....

I was giving her the benefit of the doubt, but this whole skin thing is making me second-guess if that was the right thing to do 🙈

Chaitales doesn't seem to

She used the wrong term admittedly but* as *Humdingerydoo said they probably didn’t mean anything by it.

Beggers belief the depths some posters will go to sometimes

Really scratching the barrel of conspiracies and Jew hate now

On a antisemitism thread too

When people tell/show you what they are believe them

then you have so dehumanized the Jewish people that you think they are not deserving of caring or concern no matter what brutality befalls them

But that’s also a problem that Palestinians have isn’t it? Being dehumanised to the point they are not deserving of concern no matter what’s happens.

Chaitales doesn't seem to.

Still confused what any of this has to do about the rise of antisemitism?

@Chaitales course you did.

Ah sorry, may have been mixed up with threads. I think my trail of thinking was that there is a whole other system for justice for Palestinians in Israel, which includes not just taking of hostages (what they call Prisoners) at will, but also deciding how and what to do with Palestinian bodies, organs, skin.

Stopping this convo on here now to avoid derailing

What you don't get the cheque every month from the international community like the rest of us
I would ring them up if I was you.

I think most people realise that only country’s get billions of dollars in aid not individual people (don’t they?)

I am confused as to why you would post about a skin bank and how it's collected on a thread about anti semitism? I wonder what you are implying?

How would I know?

Crack on with trying to derail though....@Chaitales

@Chaitales If yes, great, if no, you cannot tell me i am partisan in my empathy

I am not talking about you personally. I don't know you. My point is about the marchers generally.

(Reading back on my post I see I said 'you' but I meant that as in the former use of the word 'one', rather than you personally).

Prisoners imply there has been a crime committed or intended. It is again well documented that Israels judiciary has the right to detain and arrest Palestinian citizens without the same judicial process as Israeili, hold in solitary confinement or detention and torture. We can argue hostages or prisoners, but the reality is these are mostly without crime and are unlawfully and immorally detained.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/09/defending-the-rule-of-law-enforcing-apartheid-the-double-life-of-israels-judiciary/#:~:text=Israel's%20Supreme%20Court%20has%20upheld,years%20without%20charge%20or%20trial.

On aside note, did you know Israel has one of the world's largest skin banks, and much of the skin is Palestinian? Is there a legal process for collecting this?

Because they aren't 'hostages' are they? Every article I read online and every reference to this situation says it as it is....
They are prisoners.
And you are talking about lives not a maths equation. You want all to value life you treat people equally.

@Chaitales I thought they were from a list of 300 so are only some hostages and some prisoners?

Agree - are we just glossing over the fact that Israel has 150 hostages to return? Are we not questioning why they have hostages in the first place and why there is no uproar over this?

Plus, the incredible violence against children - are we glossing over this because Palestinian lives value much, much less than Israeili?

https://www.savethechildren.net/news/stripped-beaten-and-blindfolded-new-research-reveals-ongoing-violence-and-abuse-palestinian#

The Palestinians are hostages not prisoners - they haven’t been to court, tried and proven guilty. The numbers of Palestinians held are much higher than the Israeli being held so makes sense to me to release on an apportionment basis.

@Chaitales that's not what you said though.

@Trulywonderful I have missed my cheque too.

Apologies, yes I meant Israel

@Stomacharmeleon - billions of dollars of military funding from America - this is well documented.

@Pinkdressinggownbelt 'bestowed' you think there were no Jews there before the Balfour agreement?

@Parker231 I agree a life is worth a life so I don't understand why you would go on another thread and argue about proportionality and more prisoners being released for the Israeli hostages?

That makes no sense to me.

@Chaitales billions of aid doesn't just go to Israel does it? How much does Gaza get? Thats misappropriated? Huge amounts.

And they are the only group that gets its own United Nations agency specifically for them as far as I know (happy to stand corrected) however corrupt it is.

There is a reason the Arab countries don't step up. Because they have done before and got bitten.

@hologramvirus well said.

What you don't get the cheque every month from the international community like the rest of us

I would ring them up if I was you

"I can have sympathy for Jewish people but also recognise they have a lot of support from international community - the billions in aid to Israel, the unequivocal backing from our government and MPs"

Not sure Jewish people do have a lot of support from the international community... I think you mean Israel.

As this thread was originally about anti-Semitism I just wanted to clarify the wording. I don't think @Chaitales meant anything bad by it, I just felt the need to clarify it for others who may be reading. I'm not trying nit-pick, I promise. I just know that I as a Jew in the UK definitely haven't been receiving billions in aid 🤪

And to be clear, Palestine has also received billions in aid. They have a lot of very vocal support.

I can have sympathy for Jewish people but also recognise they have a lot of support from international community - the billions in aid to Israel, the unequivocal backing from our government and MPs. But there is no one to speak for Palestinians - and yes, not arab countries either, so I'm marching in solidarity to show that I care. Not just now, but every time there is an attack on Palestine - west bank villages, Al Aqsa worshipper attacked every single Ramadan while praying, I try to speak up. And yes, I also attended vigils for Jewish victims and I attend holocaust memorial day at Westminster as part of my interfaith role, and I've sat with Rabbi Ephraim and had discussions. Have you ever spoken up about the settler attacks or mosque attacks or indiscriminate murders in Palestine over the last years? If yes, great, if no, you cannot tell me i am partisan in my empathy.

Agree with this

Good post