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Anti Semetism IS happening

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AbsoluteYawns · 04/11/2023 23:41

and in my opinion it's a direct result of people turning a blind eye to and excusing the horror of hamas and everything they stand for. It's allowed open season on anti Jewish hate. This has happened TODAY in France.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/11/04/woman-stabbed-lyon-france-antisemitic-attack-israel-hamas/

French woman stabbed on doorstep in anti-Semitic attack

The Jewish woman was stabbed twice at her home in Lyon before police found a swastika drawn on her front door

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/11/04/woman-stabbed-lyon-france-antisemitic-attack-israel-hamas

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EasternStandard · 05/11/2023 17:57

Stomacharmeleon · 05/11/2023 17:49

@jolaylasofia now your just bullying. People can't say they feel scared because it's not ok with you. People are told to shut and they are silly.
Why are you on a thread about antisemitism apart from trying to belittle. Nothing educated to say? You

Agree. It’s blatant

ColonelDax · 05/11/2023 17:54

Rubbishagain · 05/11/2023 17:39

The vast majority know exactly what they are marching for. It’s the carpet bombing using illegal white phosphorus. The deliberate bombing of innocent families moving south after they were told to move south. The deliberate prevention of food, water and fuel. The innocent children held in Israeli prisons. The attacks and killings of innocent people in West Bank. The list goes on.

Sigh...

There hasn't been any carpet bombing.

White phosphorus isn't illegal.

Civilians aren't being deliberately bombed.

Please try and get annoyed about things that are actually happening, not just in your imagination.

Trulywonderful · 05/11/2023 17:53

Stomacharmeleon · 05/11/2023 17:49

@jolaylasofia now your just bullying. People can't say they feel scared because it's not ok with you. People are told to shut and they are silly.
Why are you on a thread about antisemitism apart from trying to belittle. Nothing educated to say? You

This

x10

Totally agree

mollyfolk · 05/11/2023 17:52

Bergmum · 05/11/2023 00:36

But most people on mumsnet seem to think that Israel is an apartheid, genocidal terrorist state too.
So if you can't march for Hamas to release the hostages by the same token you can't march for Israel to "Free Palestine" whatever the hell that even means.

the UN and major human rights organizations also think Israel is am apartheid state. Do you think they are all antisemitic too? Marching in the UK, the EU and the US can make a difference because it puts pressure on the government to stop supporting Israel. I want to say to the government that it’s not ok to flatten Gaza with British arms! Not in my name and all that. How do you feel about the Jewish people who are protesting or the protests in Israel?

This is a shocking attack, Jewish people here have nothing to do
with the conflict and deserve to feel safe.

IClaudine · 05/11/2023 17:49

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Why have you gone out of your way to post in order to minimise another poster's experience of racism? Strange (well perhaps not as we can all take a guess why).

Stomacharmeleon · 05/11/2023 17:49

@jolaylasofia now your just bullying. People can't say they feel scared because it's not ok with you. People are told to shut and they are silly.
Why are you on a thread about antisemitism apart from trying to belittle. Nothing educated to say? You

feralunderclass · 05/11/2023 17:48

Firebug007 · 05/11/2023 17:32

I disagree, the vast majority actually have no idea what they're really marching for and should probably find out and I've seen plenty of people 'excusing' what happened on 7th Oct which is the same as condoning.

Here we go again, the "Pro Palestinian thickos" wandering around streets with no idea why 🙄. It's the height of insult to claim that these people (who are huge in number) have not seen the news, do not have the intellect to form an opinion, and are not capable of being concerned about human rights.

Trulywonderful · 05/11/2023 17:47

Yep op it is 🙄

You know this when a thread about antisemitism turns into a bloodbath of Nakba and various other comments

Nice to see all the usual posters for anything Jewish out in force..........😉

Stomacharmeleon · 05/11/2023 17:46

@jolaylasofia 'nobody' is?
Well you know that's not true....
What about the women with the paraglider pictures on their clothes?
The people with signs with Hamas on them?
Hamas flags?
People arrested for inciting Racial hatred.

So not really nobody. Definitely somebody.

ProvincialLady1 · 05/11/2023 17:44

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Rubbishagain · 05/11/2023 17:39

Firebug007 · 05/11/2023 17:32

I disagree, the vast majority actually have no idea what they're really marching for and should probably find out and I've seen plenty of people 'excusing' what happened on 7th Oct which is the same as condoning.

The vast majority know exactly what they are marching for. It’s the carpet bombing using illegal white phosphorus. The deliberate bombing of innocent families moving south after they were told to move south. The deliberate prevention of food, water and fuel. The innocent children held in Israeli prisons. The attacks and killings of innocent people in West Bank. The list goes on.

jolaylasofia · 05/11/2023 17:37

Fizzadora · 05/11/2023 17:27

I don't understand why Jewish people are being held responsible and attacked for the actions of the IDF while Palestinians are not (in the eyes of the protesters) being held responsible for the actions of Hamas.
Can someone explain that to me?

palestinians are not being held responsible???? is that a joke? tell that to the 10000 murdered.

Firebug007 · 05/11/2023 17:32

ItsRainingTacos79 · 05/11/2023 00:11

What a bizarre thing to say @Perfectlystill People are marching because they want an end to the bombing and killing of thousands of innocent civilians who are trapped and have nowhere to run.

The vast, vast, vast majority of people attending the marches are doing so peacefully.**

No one is condoning Hamas atrocities. Everyone is appalled by what happened on 7th Oct.

I disagree, the vast majority actually have no idea what they're really marching for and should probably find out and I've seen plenty of people 'excusing' what happened on 7th Oct which is the same as condoning.

Schiller · 05/11/2023 17:31

Fizzadora · 05/11/2023 17:27

I don't understand why Jewish people are being held responsible and attacked for the actions of the IDF while Palestinians are not (in the eyes of the protesters) being held responsible for the actions of Hamas.
Can someone explain that to me?

I think the Israeli attacks have ‘taken over’ media space. After 9/11 and 7/7 Muslims were attacked and abused all over the world. Unfairly getting the blame. Had Israel done nothing (unrealistic of course) I think Muslims would have taken a lot of abuse worldwide as idiots would see them as ‘responsible’ for the massacre of innocents.

Because the news is now about Gaza being bombed by Israel, the Jewish people are bearing the brunt of the prejudice.

None of this is right.

jolaylasofia · 05/11/2023 17:30

Perfectlystill · 04/11/2023 23:56

Agree. It's so depressing. I can't stand to see how many people are marching in favour of Hamas. I don't get it.

NOBODY is marching in favour of hamas! are you alright??? they are marching for palestinian human rights. They are marching against genocide. hamas do not represent palestinian people in exactly same way that israel does not represent all jews.

jolaylasofia · 05/11/2023 17:29

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Fizzadora · 05/11/2023 17:27

I don't understand why Jewish people are being held responsible and attacked for the actions of the IDF while Palestinians are not (in the eyes of the protesters) being held responsible for the actions of Hamas.
Can someone explain that to me?

Stomacharmeleon · 05/11/2023 17:15

@feralunderclass that's happened on both sides though hasn't it? 9.000 Israeli citizens over 25 settlements were forcibly evicted to the 1967 green line out of Gaza. For the sake of peace: people forcibly removed from their homes. 2006?
And remember that land was owned by Egypt until the six day war. There was no Palestine.

Schiller · 05/11/2023 17:13

Cropcycle · 05/11/2023 00:23

As a British Jewish woman I can confidently say that antisemitism has always been here. It bubbles away under the surface, raising its head when there’s a rise in conflict. The current war is a whole new level of horrific on every level. The pictures coming out of Gaza are heartbreaking. The Jewish person you see walking home, isn’t responsible for the suffering of innocent civilians in Gaza. People are rightfully angry in the face of such a nightmare, and all Jews are seen as guilty by association and deserve everything they get. It’s always been the case.

Im 62 and I’ve never felt this unsafe or more vulnerable ever.

‘The Jewish person you see walking home, isn’t responsible for the suffering of innocent civilians in Gaza’

Whilst I am against what the Israel government is doing today, I agree with this 100%.

The average Muslim person was not responsible for 9/11 and the average Jewish person has nothing to do with the decisions of Netanyahu.

We need zero tolerance of this hideous development. My Israeli colleague was saying that she and her friends have been discussing whether they can continue living in the UK for much longer. Very sad.

AbsoluteYawns · 05/11/2023 16:57

@mids2019 thank you for your thought provoking post.

We have to have freedom of speech. We also have to ensure every minority feels safe in this country. I know many people (not only Jewish people) do not feel safe seeing the sometimes frothing chanting coming from these rallys.

I keep thinking of that woman in France. It's bone chilling that such a monster has taken her life with such hate.

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mids2019 · 05/11/2023 16:35

@AbsoluteYawns

absolutely agree.

would more refined laws to prevent mass marches ostensibly in support of Palestinians help as they are in effect a cover so some can demonstrate overt anti semitism with the protection of a crowd? Should we have more arrests when chants refer to the eradication of Israel as a state?

I think the unfortunate thing with any sort of racism is that you have group contagion and mass marches are a perfect breeding ground. If some one of such a kind set 'gets away with it' in a crowd perhaps greyhound be emboldened to more extreme form is anti semitism?

we need to ensure we have an environment where the government makes clear anti semitism is not tolerated so that Jewish people can feel secure and have the backing of our police and communities. To a degree this may be happening but there is a lot of work to do.

Totallymessed · 05/11/2023 16:19

HeidiInTheBigCity · 05/11/2023 14:21

All the other [sic!] land partitions have involved people leaving their homes: Pakistan/ India involved significant movement of people.

Nakba denier, perchance?

With all due respect: you are not doing your cause any favour by refusing to acknowledge the injustices and trauma suffered by the "other" side! It is equally as vile and blinkered as fucking university students engaging in holocaust relativisation on the grounds that Jewish history will not fit neatly into their binary "perpetrator/victim" view!

Why are you accusing the poster of being a Nakba denier? Do you not know anything about the partition of India?

greengreengrass25 · 05/11/2023 15:44

Ahtishoo · 05/11/2023 14:07

There is a lot of misunderstanding about Judaism. Israel is a homeland for the Jewish people, who are an ethnic group as much as a religion. That is why people with Jewish grandparents are entitled to live there: they don’t actually check your religion. You could be a Christian with Jewish grandparents. The key thing is that anti-Semites will persecute you because of your Jewish ethnicity regardless of whether you are actually religious, which is why Jews need a homeland. Before Israel existed, Jews could not defend themselves against pogroms like the one on Oct 7th. They had the choice of fleeing or dying. This is also why it is not acceptable for them to be a minority within Israel.

All the other land partitions have involved people leaving their homes: Pakistan/ India involved significant movement of people.

I understand perfectly as I'm sure there are many people in the UK who have relatives who fled Europe in late 19th/ early 20th century but don't practice the religion

caringcarer · 05/11/2023 15:44

It's the polic behaviour that infuriates me. Ripping down posters of the Israeli hostages, excuse given in case it insights upset. Yet protesters can lay out photos of Palestine children killed and carry about the effigies of dead babies. The police say nothing. We can all see whose side the police are on.