Anti Semetism IS happening

I agree. It's awful

Even if you don’t go that back in history you will see that the UN stated: 2008 war: israel killed 1,509 Palestinians. In 2014: 2500 Palestinians massacred. 2023 so far we are at 9K.
If they ethnically cleansed the Palestinians Muslims in one go then they would have a hard time justifying it. The world sees Israeli jews as a race of people that have been through a lot of hardships in order to survive. Which is true.
However, times change, people change. When you are oppressed and when you are doing well often changes your perspective and outlook. If they (Israeli government) committed mass genocide of the Palestinians in one go, then the world may start comparing them to another group of people, who many years ago mercilessly tried eradicated a particular race of people. They wouldn’t want to risk that. Also, there is the real danger of triggering world war 3 by causing the other Arab nations to come together. It’s all too risky for them at this moment in time, so it’s easier to continue making it look like mass civilian casualties that they cannot control.
If there is a ceasefire this time then in a few years time it will just happen again. We will be back here on this board debating the rights and wrongs again.

@jolaylasofia

Thought I'd share a few more to get back to what this thread is actually about.

Have you read about your former school in the paper this week because someone drew a swastika and wrote 'Kill Jews' in the toilets? Has your child told you that all they see on TikTok now is Free Palestine and they never see posts supporting the hostages? Have you had a message that your children's holiday camp might be cancelled because they might not be able to get enough extra security? Have you had to explain to anyone that there isn't a hierarchy of racism?

Oh, just my week then...

jolaysofia. Ummm because I live in the Jewish area of a large city and look very Jewish. Jewish isn’t a religion it’s an ethnicity. My ancestry.co.uk result was 100% European Jewish. That goes on genetic material not religion.

Our local police held a meeting last week to tell us what they are doing to try keep our community safe - increased police patrols in the area, giving advice about suspicious parcels, not letting anyone we don’t know into our block etc.

My DGD was bullied at school the other week. She’s 6. She was confused and in tears. The school dealt with it in a way that was appropriate to the age group and used it as a way of teaching tolerance and respect to her class. She’s the only Jewish kid in her school in an area that has no Jewish community. Her classmates know she’s Jewish though even though our family are non practicing. We stand out even when we aren’t religious. If a Jewish person tells you they’re frightened right now, I don’t think you get to tell them that’s strange.

I'm not denying that Israel are targeting Hamas locations that the terrorists have placed into civilian infrastructure as an attempt to hide behind human shields.

The Law of Armed Conflict and Geneva Convention specifically state that when protected places are used for military purposes they lose their protected status.

Look it up if you don't believe me.

Your grievance around civilian casualties should be taken up with Hamas.

The government and its agencies are encouraging thousands of healthy young men into our country via illegal immigration, many of whom dislike our freedoms and are violently anti semitic and misogynistic.

Listen, I'm not a defender of Israel and all of its actions by any stretch, particularly around things like the West Bank settler issue, but i have to say, people like you are the reason why situations like the one in Gaza will never change.

A total and utter unwillingness to consider a situation through a lens other than their own.

And when a person who is an expert in the exact situation being discussed explains to you how you are mistaken and what you believe makes absolutely no sense either militarily or politically, then you just put your fingers in your ears and shout 'lalala' until they go away.

'Drip feeding genocide' for sneaky political purposes?! Have you visited the planet earth recently?!

Get a grip.

Why why why can people not show compassion to other women who are talking (with good reasons) as to why they don’t feel safe in the UK right now?

Joylaylasofia - it’s ethnicity not religion - there are many secular Jewish people

Sigh! Makes you sound arrogant and rude.
are you denying the independent reports coming from Gaza regarding the bombing from Israel and the amount of people who have been killed. It’s a genocide. The deliberate bombing of schools and camps
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cy-phA7uCVv/?igshid=Y2NkYjk0MDhjYg==

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy-fjefuBj3/?igshid=Y2NkYjk0MDhjYg==
this is also an ongoing problem

Yes, I fully understand the point you are making. Killing innocents deliberately is absolutely inhumane and the worst crime you can commit. Killing civilians by accident is different. However, you need to understand that a lot of people in the world do not believe the narrative that the civilians of Palestine are being killed accidentally anymore. We bought into that idea for years. Things are just different now. There’s more exposure and leaked videos this time that have changed our views and opinions.

😂 exactly this. When the facts don't fit the narrative, just make something up.

Can you drip feed a genocide though? I’m not sure that’s how it works.

Hamas do it as a way of revenge

@2boy1princess

Do you understand that there is a moral difference between killing civilians accidentally in war or as a mistake through a heavy handed security operation, as opposed to deliberately targeting women, children and the elderly for systematic rapes, tortures and brutal murders, then deliberately desecrating their bodies?

For the sake of your soul, please say you do...

Please don’t tell me whether I have the knowledge or not. You don’t know me. I may be speaking from first hand experience. You are allowed to draw your own conclusion on the conflict based upon your experience. I have my own knowledge and experience and will draw my own conclusions.
I agree that the IDF could within hours destroy the Palestinian people, but the fact they are not is not because they are avoiding civilian casualties. I have my own theory (shared by many who have my background and experience) on why they are drip feeding the genocide every few years and it’s not something I need to share with you. I have my opinion and you have yours.

I am sorry this is happening to you and your family.

I agree.
Some posters here trying to take away the freedom to demonstrate.
Why is it so frowned upon if you just want to march to express your horror at the murdering of Palestinian children? Why are people demanding that in order to march for a ceasefire you have to condemn Hamas first? Those babies don’t even know what Palestine is, never mind Hamas.

Hamas terrorists doesn’t equal Palestinian children. Idf terrorists don’t equal innocent Jews.

Stop asking pro Palestinian protesters to condemn something that they are not responsible for. We didn’t create Hamas. But we are responsible for the massacre of children as tax payers. As residents of a government that are funding the death of Palestinian children. We can condemn that.

Israel murder murder in the name of self defence. Hamas do it as a way of revenge. They feel their land has been taken from them and for 75 years atrocities including murder of the Palestinians has been allowed to happen.
We have the right to choose who we stand in solidarity with. We are capable and educated enough to make our own informed decisions. Thank you.

@2boys1princess most of what you have said just isn't true.

Ok but they literally aren't, it's not just because I say so.

I've been in the military for 35 years and been involved in targeting for much of that.

If the IDF were deliberately targeting civilians the deaths would be in the hundreds of thousands in an area as densely packed as Gaza.

Please try to restrict your kneejerk, broadbrush comments and accusations of war crimes to areas where you actually have some knowledge or insight?!

I'm really sorry you are experiencing this @LondonMummer 😔

The thing is we aren't even orthodox so actually we could 'pass' for not Jewish and probably do most of the time (except maybe walking back from synagogue) but the wilful ignorance about antisemitism is killing me right now and all these are genuine examples of my life in the last week alone.

You saying civilians aren’t deliberately being bombed by the terrorists known as IDF doesn’t make it true. The masses of people protesting won’t be convinced just because you say so. The thousands of Jews in Israel asking for a ceasefire also won’t believe you. You just continue convincing yourself and the others who just do not want to acknowledge that Israel are responsible for the murder of thousands of innocent babies. They have the right to defend themselves, but they are clearly no longer defending themselves. They are ethnically cleansing the children if Palestine so there is no future generation of Palestinians that make speak up for freedom.

@LondonMummer waiting for @jolaylasofia to turn up and tell you maybe you shouldn't act so jewish and then no one would know...... oh and stupid.

See I fixed it for you ......

Bloody hell @londonmummer I can't imagine. Stay strong.

@jolaylasofia have you ever sat in your place of worship and thought carefully about how you would escape if a gunman entered? Have you ever had to tell your 13 year old to take off his kippah on his 10 minute walk home alone and then when he was late have you run down the street looking for him and panicked when you heard a police siren? Do you have family who have told you they are thinking of taking their mezuzah off the door as it marks them out? Have you taken your children on the tube and briefed them beforehand in case there are angry protesters and it gets heated? Have you had to share pictures of antisemitic graffiti with TFL police on your journey home? Have you had to tell your child what to do when someone at school shouts "Free Palestine" at them?

Thought not.