Anti Semetism IS happening

@feralunderclass do you think Anne didn’t look visibly Jewish? I don’t want to say more about my family members but they have proudly expressed to me that they personally feel they look Jewish.

Maybe post this on one of the threads discussing the war rather than on a thread feeling for people who are suffering anti semitism here in the UK and have NOTHING to do with what's happening in Gaza, its not their fault. Spare a thought for people here being targeted because they happen to be Jewish.

Maybe you could find it in yourself some empathy? Please?

I'm not sure if this is a well meaning reply or a piss take, but it certainly does nothing to combat antisemitic tropes. I've lived in Israel and never seen a "Jewish hair colour" or all the mini Anne Franks 🤔.

This.

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@LondonMummer I am so sorry for what your family is going through. I wish you all the best.

it is outrageous with the antisemitism I have seen recently. I am not Jewish but I have several Jewish friends and I don’t trust myself to discuss this in real life, I worry I would get angry. It seems that most people are pro Palestine and are diminishing antisemitism even when it is obvious.

I walked to the underground with my daughter a week ago in an area with a lot of Jewish people. There was a little old lady walking ahead of us and as we were approaching, she stepped out into the road to let us pass. Our eyes met, I tried to smile reassuringly at her and kept chatting to my daughter and she looked relieved.

Do you know what she reminded me of? A woman who is being followed by a male late at night and tries to see if he is trying to catch up with her. A few minutes later she passed us, apparently having decided that she was comfortable with her back to us. It really broke my heart.

It is a difficult balance for the police as they try to keep hte peace which usually means those who are the nastiest, the biggest group, the loudest voices win out which is terrible and it has always vbeen like that. Why should we kow tow to the mob? I support Israel. I haven't been on a march or tried to go on the Palestinian one draped in an Israeli flag but the police ought to protect people doing that as much as the pro Hamas and pro Palestinians in the UK.

I am glad to see the Met police have severed all ties with the man (Malik) who was advising them who appeared to be pretty awful. I hope the Met police ensure they have as many jews as muslims on their various advisory bodies for fairness' sake (and of course Christians and atheists too). Meanwhile a lady - Ahmad - who is a leadership co-ordinator of the police says 'I think at this point, if anyone openly agrees with the war in Gaza, they should be called out as Islamophobic and inciting hatred against Muslims.' That is a pretty strong statement. She is saying she thinks those of us who support Israel, in effect, are criminals.

I had to get up and leave the parents room in the PICU last week because the Arab woman opposite me was giving me such hateful glares that I felt uncomfortable sitting there.
The Arab woman whom I chatted to who's daughter was next to mine in the icu said that conflict in the middle east had nothing to do with us and there was no reason we couldn't be friends.
But she was the exception. None if the other Arab parents would I'd anything other than shoot me hateful glares. And no I'm not imagining it.
The hospital has lots of international patients from Arab countries.

Sadly - the people who think "all Jews are guilty by association" are probably the ones who think "all Palestinians are terrorists"
The lack of critical thought & conflation of ideologies & narratives surrounding these issues is just a travesty & negates the opportunity for dialogue & understanding

My friend's teenage daughter and friend were stopped last Sunday when they came out of Oxford Circus tube station to go shopping by the police who advised that they would be better off going home because it may not be safe for them now. They are orthodox jews and are therefor visibly jewish.

I had a friend at school who was fucking terrified of going into London with a hijab. I was the only person she was vaguely friends with who wasn’t muslim and didn’t wear a headscarf so she asked me to go with her for an appointment as she didn’t have anyone else to ask.

It was so sad that she was sacred, she was a really lovely and kind person No-one should be scared of walking the streets of their own home x

How does a thread about people's experience of anti Semitism thousands of miles away from The Conflict between nation and a terrorist group end up being seriously deflected by people who would claim not to be anti Semitic or supporters of said terrorists, but are intent on deflecting attention away from the point of the thread?
The intention has to be anti Semitic since these same types would also holler that criticism of Israel is not criticism of Jews....but they are using criticism of Israel to inhibit proper discussion about the super surge in anti Semitism due to those who would claim to support Palestine.
Are these posters so underthinking as to not see that their circular thought processes prohibit them from seeing what they are, whilst revealing what they are?
"Splitting" and the need for one's opinion to come above another's experience and a complete lack of boundaries or propiety are signs of NPD.
Most threads started by Jewish posters with a focus on the negative experiences of Jewish people would confuse anybody who look at the last few pages to see that the premise has completely changed due to a few obssessed posters.
Why is that (rhetorical question and performative " chinny reckon")?

Some people are holding Palestinian people responsible. I've seen lots of posts on here doing just that, including holding children responsible. In an ideal world nobody would hold either Jews or Palestinians responsible but there are gobshites in every walk of life so that is never going to happen.

The Palestinian population growth rate has gone up at roughly the same rate ad the Israeli one for many many years. In fact in recent years it has grown faster.

I have said it before and will say it again, if what Israeli have been doing for years is Genocide they are pigging terrible at it🤔

Its yet another example of the blatant anti-semitism that is so powerfully on display.

Just like there is a 'context' and need for ' understanding' to minimise every atrocity Hamas commits.
Yet there is apparently never a need for ' context' and 'understanding' of anything Israel does.

I agree OP. I've been really shocked.

Well said @Noicant

@feralunderclass if this is a genuine question, many Jewish people in the UK and elsewhere do look visibly Jewish. I have Jewish relatives in extended family and it is obvious they look Jewish from hair colour etc. I have seen childhood photos of one of these ladies and as a little girl she looked very like photos of Anne Frank.

@GreekDogRescue

The government and its agencies are encouraging thousands of healthy young men into our country via illegal immigration, many of whom dislike our freedoms and are violently anti semitic and misogynistic.

I think Rishi & Suella are trying to stop the influx - but every time they come up with a plan it's scuppered by liberal thinkers who feel it's racist/inhumane to not allow them in. So I don't know what the solution is.

I don't think liberal left wing people will accept or agree that some people coming into the UK don't have values which align with ours.

I am baffled by the LGBTQ community joining pro Palestine parades.

Doesn't make sense, does it

You are a 'mensch'

Thank you

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I actually feel more solidarity with Jewish people suffering antisemitism now because of the unpleasant comments I had as a Muslim after 7/7 and the London Bridge bombings etc.

It is so unfair to be blamed for something we had nothing to do with. And the comments make you feel like a target and unwelcome in your community.

I am lucky in that in my diverse friend groups, we all support each other, Muslims, Jewish, Hindu, Christian etc. That helps.

Jewish people in the UK are scared, this thread should be about showing solidarity with British Jews in the face of racism.

I’m sorry to all of you who have had horrific experiences. I’m brown and have had my own share but this is beyond the racism I have personally experienced.

It is plain wrong and people should be able to say that without having to caveat it with “yeah but…”.

I'm afraid that's nonsense. Israel has defeated their neighbours against appalling odds more than once. They are also a nuclear power. They aren't going anywhere.

They don't really care what we think about them. If they wanted to turn the Gaza strip into glass, they would do it.

The truth is they don't.

It's a simple statement but it's true, if the Palestinians put down their weapons, they would lose land and maybe receive some poor treatment (which I utterly condemn), but they would continue with their lives. If the Israelis put down their weapons, there would be a second Holocaust the like of which the world has never seen.

Neither side is 'good', but they certainly aren't morally equivalent on any level.

I'm so sorry that you have to go through that in 2023 in the UK. It's not acceptable.

How do you "look very Jewish" if you aren't religious (so I'm assuming you aren't wearing particular clothes or any outward 'markers' signifying you as a Jewish person)? I've seen a number of Jewish posters saying this now. Genuine question BTW.