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Anti Semetism IS happening

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AbsoluteYawns · 04/11/2023 23:41

and in my opinion it's a direct result of people turning a blind eye to and excusing the horror of hamas and everything they stand for. It's allowed open season on anti Jewish hate. This has happened TODAY in France.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/11/04/woman-stabbed-lyon-france-antisemitic-attack-israel-hamas/

French woman stabbed on doorstep in anti-Semitic attack

The Jewish woman was stabbed twice at her home in Lyon before police found a swastika drawn on her front door

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/11/04/woman-stabbed-lyon-france-antisemitic-attack-israel-hamas

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Schiller · 07/11/2023 11:07

feralunderclass · 07/11/2023 11:03

@Fallenangelofthenorth Purple is OBSESSED with coming into every thread and using any means possible to distract or shut down any discussion regarding the Palestinian people. I must admit though that Isreal hurts my eyes, I've even seen some of the Jewish posters spelling it this way and being concerned about anti Semetism. However I've no idea if they have any form of SLD, so I would never be so ableist to give a "spelling lesson".

I have seen Zionist Jewish people spell it ‘Isreal’. It’s just a spelling mistake. I have seen pro-Palestinian people write ‘palastain’ etc. Maybe it’s a language thing, a LD thing or just a poor spelling thing. It’s not something who really cares about issues focuses on.

feralunderclass · 07/11/2023 11:03

@Fallenangelofthenorth Purple is OBSESSED with coming into every thread and using any means possible to distract or shut down any discussion regarding the Palestinian people. I must admit though that Isreal hurts my eyes, I've even seen some of the Jewish posters spelling it this way and being concerned about anti Semetism. However I've no idea if they have any form of SLD, so I would never be so ableist to give a "spelling lesson".

Fallenangelofthenorth · 07/11/2023 10:32

PurpleChrayne · 07/11/2023 10:18

Just dropping in for your daily spelling reminder:

Israel not Isreal.

Anti-Semitism not Anti-Semetism.

Are you trying to imply racists are thick @PurpleChrayne 🤔

PurpleChrayne · 07/11/2023 10:18

Just dropping in for your daily spelling reminder:

Israel not Isreal.

Anti-Semitism not Anti-Semetism.

IClaudine · 06/11/2023 08:14

This is the video.

x.com/fahadansari/status/1721189970889605631?s=20

tobeornottobe1 · 05/11/2023 23:33

@IClaudine you will be waiting along time for it to come on bbc, it's a video , I have screen shot some pictures from it, I will try to upload. I have seen it on social media platforms also.

Anti Semetism IS happening
Anti Semetism IS happening
IClaudine · 05/11/2023 23:27

tobeornottobe1 · 05/11/2023 22:58

A 80 year old jewish holocaust survivor lady was arrested in Islington, for calling out Israel and calling it a nazi terrorist state for its indiscriminate bombing on Gaza. Is she anti semetic too?

Do you have a link please @tobeornottobe1 ? I have tried googling, but can't seem to find this story.

Trulywonderful · 05/11/2023 23:01

sh0rtbread · 05/11/2023 22:50

Muslim here from a long line of Muslims. We’re all law abiding British citizens. Disgusted about what Hamas has done. We don’t support Hamas. Never have. Never will. A few of us have gone to protest but that is not because we are antisemitic. Some of us have Jewish friends. Others have Jewish colleagues. We are all keeping in touch with eachother and trying to support as much as we can.

I have noticed a lot of Islamaphobic comments on social media recently. Well, it’s always been there, just how antisemitism has always been there. The average person isn’t Islamaphobic or Antisemitic.

Unfortunately, it’s so easy online to spew hate anonymously. I wish it would stop.

Totally agree with you

I am Jewish and similar to you but opposite have Muslim friends and colleagues.

The truth is we all have a lot in common in many ways, especially when it comes to hate crimes. I know currently this is horrific for Jews but long term it will get pretty serious for Muslims here too.

SinnerBoy · 05/11/2023 23:00

Perhaps read the thread (as in read the room suggestion).

It's the nature of conversations to diverge and I'm just following that curve.

But - fair point.

tobeornottobe1 · 05/11/2023 22:58

A 80 year old jewish holocaust survivor lady was arrested in Islington, for calling out Israel and calling it a nazi terrorist state for its indiscriminate bombing on Gaza. Is she anti semetic too?

Trulywonderful · 05/11/2023 22:55

GrandmasMeatloaf · 05/11/2023 21:35

I am trying to understand here…. We are on a thread discussing antisemitism in the U.K. and how awful that is. Posters are coming on here talking about how awful Israel is. Are these posters trying to say that it is ok to be an antisemite??

Basically the same posters will come on any thread talking about antisemitism even if the conflict isn't actually being debated on the thread. They then tell everyone that x has it worse, whatabout x & x happening etc. Even though not relevant to the thread.

Tell everyone they have no empathy and are evil people for talking about something else or something like that.

Oh and often make out they have seen no antisemitism on marches or it is one a hundred people or something blah blah blah.

More or less exactly the same posters every time doing various posts which contain one or more of the above.

Hard to know if they truly have no empathy for others apart from Gazens or are derailing because Jew haters and don't want people to feel sorry for Jews or they just lack a basic understanding of what is appropriate behavior a thread

sh0rtbread · 05/11/2023 22:50

Muslim here from a long line of Muslims. We’re all law abiding British citizens. Disgusted about what Hamas has done. We don’t support Hamas. Never have. Never will. A few of us have gone to protest but that is not because we are antisemitic. Some of us have Jewish friends. Others have Jewish colleagues. We are all keeping in touch with eachother and trying to support as much as we can.

I have noticed a lot of Islamaphobic comments on social media recently. Well, it’s always been there, just how antisemitism has always been there. The average person isn’t Islamaphobic or Antisemitic.

Unfortunately, it’s so easy online to spew hate anonymously. I wish it would stop.

Cropcycle · 05/11/2023 22:36

Noicant. Thank you. There is no place for racism towards any ethnic group. We need to believe someone when they say they are experiencing racism and stand with them not minimise or justify it.

Cropcycle · 05/11/2023 22:29

How do you "look very Jewish" if you aren't religious (so I'm assuming you aren't wearing particular clothes or any outward 'markers' signifying you as a Jewish person)? I've seen a number of Jewish posters saying this now. Genuine question BTW.

I am not going to describe my racial characteristics to explain in what way I look Jewish.

MolkosTeenageAngst · 05/11/2023 22:19

GrandmasMeatloaf · 05/11/2023 21:35

I am trying to understand here…. We are on a thread discussing antisemitism in the U.K. and how awful that is. Posters are coming on here talking about how awful Israel is. Are these posters trying to say that it is ok to be an antisemite??

The thread is posted on the ‘conflict in the Middle East board’ which I think is why posters are linking it to Israel, not because anybody thinks it is okay to be antisemitic. I assumed from the fact it was posted on this board (and not for example the Jewish mumsnetters board or in chat etc) the OP was wanting to discuss the rise in antisemitism within the context of the current conflict. The actions of Israel have lead to increased acts of anti-Semitism, just as the actions of Hamas have lead to increased acts of Islamophobia. Neither are justified or okay, ordinary citizens should not be responsible for the acts of governments or terrorist groups especially within other countries, but unfortunately the reason they’re happening is because of the conflict of the Middle East and because some people can’t separate citizens from the acts of people they share a religion with. It would be hard to discuss this without mentioning Israel right now?

AbsoluteYawns · 05/11/2023 22:09

@Shhhhivegotasecret I too want anyone with those feelings to just admit it. It would be so much easier to know who the nasty ones are.

Thank you to the posters who have shone a light on this and tried to stem the derailment of the thread.

I'm so so sad to read of people's experiences this week.

@LondonMummerwhat's happened is awful and unacceptable.

I wish you and everyone strength and peace.

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MajesticWhine · 05/11/2023 21:51

Yes it is happening and it's awful. Some of the banners and chants at the marches are disgusting. As is the ripping down of the hostage posters everywhere. The aforementioned bathroom graffiti was at my DDs school. It's disgusting. I stand with all Jewish people in our country and I am so sorry that this is happening and that you don't feel safe.
I would love to march for peace but these marches do not seem to me to be in favour of peace for all.

AgingDisgracefullyHere · 05/11/2023 21:48

I am not sure what people mean when they march and chant "from the river to the sea." They may mean simply a peaceful land without injustice, or they may mean the eradication of the Israeli state, or maybe even the removal of all the Jewish people they consider colonisers.

Shhhhivegotasecret · 05/11/2023 21:42

GrandmasMeatloaf · 05/11/2023 21:35

I am trying to understand here…. We are on a thread discussing antisemitism in the U.K. and how awful that is. Posters are coming on here talking about how awful Israel is. Are these posters trying to say that it is ok to be an antisemite??

Yes they are. My question for those anti-Semite’s (and I would love it if a poster actually admitted it rather than trying to derail a thread about racism in the uk with comments on Israel) just one of you have the guts to be upfront and say why you are anti-Semitic

DevonWindyWeather · 05/11/2023 21:41

SinnerBoy · 05/11/2023 21:23

White Phosg Again with the white Phos. It's a legal weapon system used by every army in the world

But it's illegal to use as an incendiary, which is what they did when they used it against UN shelters, during Cast Lead. I mean, unless you were arguing that they were using it as a smokescreen to cross a small yard?

And whilst there's a difference between a stray shell killing bystanders, that's not what's happening. Israel are deliberately and purposefully targetting civilians, as they always do.

They have dropped leaflets onto hospitals, telling them what's coming. (Please don't try to pretend that a stray Hamas rocket = not one single instance of Israel bombing hospitals was actually carried out by Israel).

Bombing bakeries, when queues of women are waiting to buy bread? One might be a coincidence, but a dozen? Please!

Perhaps read the thread (as in read the room suggestion).

DevonWindyWeather · 05/11/2023 21:39

GrandmasMeatloaf · 05/11/2023 21:35

I am trying to understand here…. We are on a thread discussing antisemitism in the U.K. and how awful that is. Posters are coming on here talking about how awful Israel is. Are these posters trying to say that it is ok to be an antisemite??

Seems that way.

GrandmasMeatloaf · 05/11/2023 21:35

I am trying to understand here…. We are on a thread discussing antisemitism in the U.K. and how awful that is. Posters are coming on here talking about how awful Israel is. Are these posters trying to say that it is ok to be an antisemite??

SinnerBoy · 05/11/2023 21:23

White Phosg Again with the white Phos. It's a legal weapon system used by every army in the world

But it's illegal to use as an incendiary, which is what they did when they used it against UN shelters, during Cast Lead. I mean, unless you were arguing that they were using it as a smokescreen to cross a small yard?

And whilst there's a difference between a stray shell killing bystanders, that's not what's happening. Israel are deliberately and purposefully targetting civilians, as they always do.

They have dropped leaflets onto hospitals, telling them what's coming. (Please don't try to pretend that a stray Hamas rocket = not one single instance of Israel bombing hospitals was actually carried out by Israel).

Bombing bakeries, when queues of women are waiting to buy bread? One might be a coincidence, but a dozen? Please!

Surplus2requirements · 05/11/2023 20:54

It's very sad to see islamaphobia creeping into a thread about anti semitism.

Two sides of the same disgusting coin.

I have a close friend who is Jewish and she is concerned about the rise in anti semetism though thankfully she hasn't experienced any personally yet during this war.

She has been verbally abused, kicked and spat at in the past but that's because she was mistaken as Muslim after Manchester and the murder of Lee Rigby.

She never wears a head scarf anymore.

Sadly theres always bigoted idiots that get emboldened by events to act on views they usually keep hidden. I don't understand such stupid attitudes on any level.

She was planning on travelling to Israel to see friends later this month but she's obviously not now and adamant she won't under any circumstances while Netanyahu remains in power.

We both think that comments from senior Gov ministers labelling marches of support as hate marches does more to inflame extremists on both sides and probably intentionally as a vehicle to pass repressive legislation on everyone.

DevonWindyWeather · 05/11/2023 20:53

Shhhhivegotasecret · 05/11/2023 18:36

Why why why can people not show compassion to other women who are talking (with good reasons) as to why they don’t feel safe in the UK right now?

This again.

On ths thread in particular. Some just cannot help themselves, so much hatred.

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