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Anti Semetism IS happening

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AbsoluteYawns · 04/11/2023 23:41

and in my opinion it's a direct result of people turning a blind eye to and excusing the horror of hamas and everything they stand for. It's allowed open season on anti Jewish hate. This has happened TODAY in France.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/11/04/woman-stabbed-lyon-france-antisemitic-attack-israel-hamas/

French woman stabbed on doorstep in anti-Semitic attack

The Jewish woman was stabbed twice at her home in Lyon before police found a swastika drawn on her front door

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/11/04/woman-stabbed-lyon-france-antisemitic-attack-israel-hamas

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ketchup07070 · 07/11/2023 14:37

@cejn I agree that either killing innocent people is wrong or it isn't. I don't understand the position that killing innocents by one side is wrong, but killing innocents by the other side is right. It is not logical.

Cejm · 07/11/2023 14:28

I watched footage of a hospital in Gaza on Sky News - babies in incubators who are going to die if power continues to be restricted - apparently there are 50,000 women currently pregnant in Gaza. The footage showed children being pulled from under buildings, children in body bags.

Hamas are terrorists, no one sane is disputing that, the Israeli people murdered on 7 October did not deserve to die just as those little Palestinian babies do not deserve to die. Talking about the horrible reality of babies being born in Auschwitz does not really explain why it’s okay to kill other babies - if anything we should be saving this should never happen to ANYONE again!

There is never any justification for killing a child - any government that bombs hospitals, schools, family homes become terrorist themselves. Imagine it was your child!

nopenotplaying · 07/11/2023 14:01

I am reading the book Born Survivors by Wendy Holden. It's a true story about 3 women who gave birth in Auschwitz. I'm only a little way through but it's horrific. I hadn't really grasped the horror in such detail before. Hamas are terrorists there is no room for whatabouts here.

tobeornottobe1 · 07/11/2023 13:58

@Humdingerydoo

Sorry I didn't realise you was visually impaired, as you said you saw the video however you could not read the sign around her neck, which is fairly obvious what the issue is and why she was arrested. If you could hear, she was arrested for allegedly being antisemetic in calling Israel a Nazi state!
So you either agree or don't agree with her arrest it's not hard is it, stop gaslighting and pissing around.

Humdingerydoo · 07/11/2023 13:16

tobeornottobe1 · 07/11/2023 12:51

@Humdingerydoo yes I did watch the video.
I'm asking why she couldn't be? As you didn't watch the video and you stated she couldn't be. So genuinely asking why you said that?

I'm not sure if you saw the bit at the end of the video were she states it's antisemitic to actually assume that Jews are supporting the holocaust in Gaza.
So according you you it would appear to be going around in a circle here, she's discriminating against herself and then flipping it back around again. Sounds like a nauseating funfair ride.

I did watch it, which is how I know no one ever said she's a Holocaust survivor. What makes you think I didn't watch it?

Have I at any point said she's anti-semitic? I said it's not impossible that she is, but I couldn't read the sign she was wearing so I have no idea. You seem to make a lot of assumptions and inferences instead of reading what people are saying or, in the case of the video, listening.

Reallifelurker · 07/11/2023 13:15

Are you trying to imply racists are thick @PurpleChrayne 🤔

PurpleChranyne is the one who calls Jewish people who don’t support Israel kapo’s.

Thats quite an easy word to spell I suppose 😒

2boys1princess · 07/11/2023 13:07

tobeornottobe1 · 05/11/2023 23:33

@IClaudine you will be waiting along time for it to come on bbc, it's a video , I have screen shot some pictures from it, I will try to upload. I have seen it on social media platforms also.

Oh I saw this brave lady. Love her. There’s another video of a jewish person calling the Israeli government and idf out for starting another holocaust, in which she lost lots of family members. She got got arrested for her protest! So many in Israel saying the same and they are getting beaten up by the idf. My heart breaks for the Jews that are speaking up because they don’t want to be associated with the massacre of children.
Has anyone seen the video of the Jewish man getting beaten up real bad by a soldier for saying stop the murder of innocent civilians as this is not what our religion teaches us. I would upload it here, but I can’t watch it again it was horrible the way they beat him up. Awful

crimsonfleet · 07/11/2023 13:07

Mollymodel · 07/11/2023 13:04

In what way are the children of Gaza to blame for what Hamas did?

They're not, obviously, I never said otherwise. 🙄

Mollymodel · 07/11/2023 13:04

In what way are the children of Gaza to blame for what Hamas did?

crimsonfleet · 07/11/2023 13:02

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In what way are the pupils at Jewish schools which have been grafittied and need extra security responsible for what's happening on Gaza? Ot the woman who was stabbed in France?

What a disgusting victim-blaming post.

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Lampzade · 07/11/2023 12:56

lotus786 · 05/11/2023 01:01

They are not marching in favour of Hamas, they are marching for an end to the brutal bombings of innocent Palestinian civilians who's death toll in 3 weeks is now 9000 people. Many of the Jewish community are also protesting. 5000 children have been slaughtered, if that isn't something to get upset about then I don't know what is.

Exactly
I am sick of those who continue to conflate peaceful protest with support for Hamas.
It is is disingenuous and appears to be done in an attempt to deflect attention away from the bombings in Palestine
As you rightly pointed out many in the Jewish community are also against the bombings.
I have always empathised with the Jewish people and the trauma they have suffered since time immemorial.
I also have empathy for innocent civilians in Palestine who are suffering . This does not mean that I am anti semitic .
However, I do acknowledge that there are a small minority of protesters who are anti semitic.

tobeornottobe1 · 07/11/2023 12:51

@Humdingerydoo yes I did watch the video.
I'm asking why she couldn't be? As you didn't watch the video and you stated she couldn't be. So genuinely asking why you said that?

I'm not sure if you saw the bit at the end of the video were she states it's antisemitic to actually assume that Jews are supporting the holocaust in Gaza.
So according you you it would appear to be going around in a circle here, she's discriminating against herself and then flipping it back around again. Sounds like a nauseating funfair ride.

Mollymodel · 07/11/2023 12:38

Trulywonderful · 05/11/2023 23:01

Totally agree with you

I am Jewish and similar to you but opposite have Muslim friends and colleagues.

The truth is we all have a lot in common in many ways, especially when it comes to hate crimes. I know currently this is horrific for Jews but long term it will get pretty serious for Muslims here too.

It’s already very difficult for Muslims. Here and in Gaza.

Alveus · 07/11/2023 12:35

Mollymodel · 07/11/2023 12:32

Massive rise in Islamophobia too.
And the Palestinian Muslim death toll is enormous.

So start a thread about that then.

Mollymodel · 07/11/2023 12:32

Massive rise in Islamophobia too.
And the Palestinian Muslim death toll is enormous.

feralunderclass · 07/11/2023 12:31

Fallenangelofthenorth · 07/11/2023 11:59

Are you Jewish @feralunderclass?

Because you seem to have positioned yourself amongst the top 3 voices of what is and isn't antisemitism on these threads.

No, not Jewish. Not sure where I have positioned myself, other than to point out once that Jewish people don't seem to be able to critisize Israel or sympathize with Palestinians without being labelled as some sort of deviant.

happyl · 07/11/2023 12:27

ItsRainingTacos79 · 05/11/2023 00:11

What a bizarre thing to say @Perfectlystill People are marching because they want an end to the bombing and killing of thousands of innocent civilians who are trapped and have nowhere to run.

The vast, vast, vast majority of people attending the marches are doing so peacefully.**

No one is condoning Hamas atrocities. Everyone is appalled by what happened on 7th Oct.

no one is condoning Hamas on the marches?Seriously? What's the weather like on your planet?

Humdingerydoo · 07/11/2023 12:23

tobeornottobe1 · 07/11/2023 12:07

@Humdingerydoo

Why can't she be a holocaust survivor?
And somebody posted the link to the video of her above.

Also I didn't realise Jewish people could discriminate against their own self- how does that work?

At no point in the video does she say she's a Holocaust survivor. Did you not watch it?

Why on earth wouldn't a Jew be able to be anti-semitic? All they have to do is say anti-semitic things. You're generally Jewish because your parents were Jewish. That's all it takes. So of course you can hate Jews even though you're Jewish. It's a bit like how I hate my frizzy hair. I didn't choose it, it was just passed down to me. There are also plenty of ultra -orthodox Jews who are anti-semitic because of their belief that other Jews aren't doing it right and therefore don't count. Is this really such a big surprise?

tobeornottobe1 · 07/11/2023 12:07

@Humdingerydoo

Why can't she be a holocaust survivor?
And somebody posted the link to the video of her above.

Also I didn't realise Jewish people could discriminate against their own self- how does that work?

ProvincialLady1 · 07/11/2023 12:01

Humdingerydoo · 07/11/2023 11:31

@tobeornottobe1
Firstly, she's not a Holocaust survivor. Her family might've been, she wasn't. Interested to know if you genuinely thought she was a Holocaust survivor and just got it wrong or if you were being knowingly misleading?

Secondly, it's unclear what her sign said so impossible to say if she's an anti-semite. If her sign said something anti-semitic then yes, she's an anti-semite. Being Jewish doesn't mean you can't be anti-semitic.

I can't read most of it but the sign starts with the words "Nazi Israel".

Fallenangelofthenorth · 07/11/2023 11:59

Are you Jewish @feralunderclass?

Because you seem to have positioned yourself amongst the top 3 voices of what is and isn't antisemitism on these threads.

feralunderclass · 07/11/2023 11:55

On here when a Jewish person has been shown to either be against Israeli policy or they express concern over the human rights violations of Palestinians they are either branded antisemitic or "nuts".

Humdingerydoo · 07/11/2023 11:31

tobeornottobe1 · 05/11/2023 22:58

A 80 year old jewish holocaust survivor lady was arrested in Islington, for calling out Israel and calling it a nazi terrorist state for its indiscriminate bombing on Gaza. Is she anti semetic too?

@tobeornottobe1
Firstly, she's not a Holocaust survivor. Her family might've been, she wasn't. Interested to know if you genuinely thought she was a Holocaust survivor and just got it wrong or if you were being knowingly misleading?

Secondly, it's unclear what her sign said so impossible to say if she's an anti-semite. If her sign said something anti-semitic then yes, she's an anti-semite. Being Jewish doesn't mean you can't be anti-semitic.

Schiller · 07/11/2023 11:29

PurpleChrayne · 07/11/2023 10:18

Just dropping in for your daily spelling reminder:

Israel not Isreal.

Anti-Semitism not Anti-Semetism.

Just letting you know. A ‘pro-Israel’ type comment has been posted under your comment just now on another thread. They refer to ‘anti-Semetic signs’. You might want to pop over and correct their spelling.

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