Beautiful baby laughing

What do you think Israelis do? Check points are about deliberate humiliation, there are statements from ex IDF soldiers saying so. How do you think it feels to be thrown out of your house would you not be humilated? To not be allowed to export your goods? To be stuck at a checkpoint for hours dying in the back of an ambulance until Israel decides you can go? To not be able to build a house on your land because Israel never give permission? To used as a human shield by the IDF when they raid your neighbours house? Shall we talk about the torture that the IDF put children and adults through in prison where they can be held without trial for as long as Israel want, what is the difference between that and being a hostage? Shall we talk about how many Palestinians are killed in a regular year? Of course it is apples with apples. And this happens all of the time, every day of every year. Just nobody seemed to care about it.

Even if 7/10 happened every year it would take 10 years for the number of civilians in Israel killed by Hamas to reach the number that have been killed in Gaza in a month.

You're comparing a full-on war with the deliberate hunting, torture, mutilation of civilians? By my reckoning, it's not comparing apples with apples.

1000 vs 1 might also indicate "negotiation" tactics.

"Israel are used to Hamas taking hostages."

One Israeli soldier Vs 1000 Palestinian hostages (including children)

I think it's the other way round.

^^This. I cannot even imagine.

I think this is part of the problem for me. We are being told that innocent Palestinians must die now to prevent the possible murder of Israelis in future. Even if 7/10 happened every year it would take 10 years for the number of civilians in Israel killed by Hamas to reach the number that have been killed in Gaza in a month. Israel already kills 1000 Palestinians a year before this and that was okayed by everyone. 1000 from either side is too much but the numbers just don't add up to me. I don't believe that Hamas would kill anywhere near 1000 Israelis a year, history shows this. I don't believe that there is no other way other than killing 10,000+ people in a month and flattening Gaza. I really believe if Israel copped on and started treating Palestinians with respect instead of like vermin in 10 years the whole situation could have looked very different between them. Palestinians aren't animals, they are people just like us who if given proper opportunities and respect would respond to that.

Not now, Israel have gone too far, I don't think there is anything Israel can do now that won't make the children whose lives they have ruined and who they have left traumatised, hate them. I would hate them too. But if their response to 7/10 had have been more measured and more introspective I think they could have gained respect from Palestinians and the world. Instead the next generation of Palestinians will see them as beasts and not just that but the next generation around the world. I know my teens and thier friends who see Israelis dancing and whooping and mocking dead Palestinians on tiktok are forming very strong opinions on Israel based on their experiences. Israel have fucked it, fucked any chance of respect and any chance of peace because they have sought revenge not reconciliation. Even worse the UK and the US have supported Israel in it because of their own greed.

This didn't start on 7th October..

I agree with this. It's all horrific. Until the two groups of people are able to each other as humans rather than enemies then I don't see how it can stop.

People with power are indiscriminately killing innocenct people who did not choose the actions of their leaders.

I don't know how any can defend this for any reason.

Israel is used to Hamas taking hostages and takes a hard-nosed approach, as explained in this article from 2022.

In 2006, they released 1000 Palestinian prisoners in exchange for an Israeli soldier (see e.g. here), but many have since been convicted of terror attacks.

Not forgotten at all, the murder of innocent civilians is obviously horrendous, no matter what race or religion. A human life is a human life, and all lives should matter equally. By your argument, Israel should be condemned and held accountable for its war crimes against Palestine, for the years of killing and suffering it has inflicted on them, no? Do the events of 7th October, justify the deaths of 10,000+ (half of whom are innocent children? Not only is the world silent as we sit and watch the horror unfold over the last 30 days, our corrupt governments in the west are using our taxpayers money to fund these atrocities

Apologist I think not, the death of innocents on either side is atrocious and hateful.

Can you give it a rest if you're here to be an apologist for the people murdering over 4100 children? This isn't the thread for it.

Thank you for your insightful contribution to this thread about the genocide of children.

I follow accounts of people on the ground in Gaza and almost none of them put warnings like "sensitive content" warnings on their videos so when watching their stories I have no control over what the next video is and what my eyes see. So when I hope to see updates about what's happening something I see horrific videos of the genocide of children. Given the sheer volume of murdered children it's inevitable.

This isn't a binary argument. The murder of innocents on both sides is horrendous.
I think that this gets forgotten.

Also you say ‘Hamas does not care about its people’… I think you’ll find it’s actually Israel that don’t care about its hostages. If a shooter goes into a school, do you carpet bomb the entire school, killing anyone and everyone in it, with no disregard?? Clearly it doesn’t want its hostages back. Netanyahu has already said that Israel will govern over Gaza when the war is over… clearly that was his motive.

Why tell people to evacuate to the south, then start striking the evacuation routes on purpose? Because they are pure evil

Are you seriously going to talk about a handful of Israeli ambulance workers and compare those to the massacre that has happened on a daily basis? Doctors who have had to witness their own family being brought in murdered, having to identify them personally? Operating WITHOUT ANAESTHESIA (isn’t that inhumane???). children that have been blown to pieces, to the point where the parents are having to pick up body parts in PLASTIC BAGS.
You have been brainwashed by the media if you believe for one second that billions has been spent on air conditioned tunnels 🙄look at the size of Israel in comparison to what’s left of Palestine. 2.3 million people living in the smallest open air concentration camp. Did you know that prior to 7th October, at least 1,000 Palestinians were killed by Israel every year? Forced out of their homes? No - the media does not show you their horrific crimes.
Anyone standing with Israel after seeing what’s happening on the ground, is standing for genocide. The only real footage that tells you what’s happening, is coming from brave young Palestinians risking their lives. Please have a look at Motaz Azaiza’s footage then come back and tell me that this wasn’t about wiping out Palestinians. This is what it has been for over 75 years when their land was stolen, piece by piece. Would love to see how the Western countries would react had the same been done to them.

Can we then talk about the millions of gallons of fuel retained for the air-conditioners for the Hamas Tunnels.

Hospitals and water desalination plants are are without energy and cannot produce water as the tunnels come first.

The billions that have gone into the Hamas weaponry and tunnel structures, spent otherwise would have built communities. Instead they have been set on war..

Let's not also forget the Israeli ambulance staff shot in their vehicles helping the wounded.

Hamas does not care for its people or the children. This is about the destruction of Israel.

What about the 30 days since then, in which a total of over 10,000 people were brutally murdered. 10 times more than what happened on 7th October😔 Let alone their starvation, cut off medical supplies, electricity and power for hospitals …. Need I go on? 🙄Meanwhile Israel is living in luxury whilst wiping out entire Palestinian families, with no regard for their hostages. It was never about bringing them back otherwise why would they strike hospitals, refugee camps and schools/churches, and risk killing their hostages? No, this was all about wiping Gaza and Palestine off the map

How on earth have you seen all that if you’re actively avoiding it?

I've seen so many terrible videos and photos of what is being done to the people of Gaza but the one that sticks in my mind more than any was in a video on Al Jazeera yesterday of a young child being carried to a hospital with the top of his head missing and his brain clearly exposed. It was the most horrific thing I've ever seen. What is being done to these innocent people is beyond comprehension. How can a world which has condemned the holocaust for all these years, not to mention other terrible examples of genocide like the Pol Pot regime, be sitting back and allowing Israel to do this to so many innocent Palestinians.

I read about what's happening and have seen a few photos/videos but my brain just can't comprehend the atrocities that are taking place. They are unimaginable. I feel so helpless that there's nothing we can do.

Israel has always been like this, inflicts ten times the damage on Palestinians.

To add insult to injury (literally), the poor little children that survive will most likely have deep psychological issues for a long time if not all their lives. Vile.

Dear God, this is terrible. I fear very much for the dear children that have been taken hostage, they may well be raped some of them.
There was a poor little girl who was holding her baby brother when the bombs started and there she was in hospital with him with dust all over him and he was dead. I hope she doesn't feel she could have stopped him getting hurt!