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Is that really the big issue rather than the mass torture, murder, rape and kidnap that took place?

The issue is the word Gazans , why not say Hamas? There are over 2M Gazans , who had nothing to do with what happened on the 7th of Oct.
The Issue is the insinuation that all Gazans are a bunch of barbaric criminals who cause destruction whenever they "get out" .

the issue is justifying the blockade.
I could go on and on,

its pure hatred and contempt to a degree that anything happening to the Gazans is completely legitimised.

Yes. That’s the reason why I support Palestine. Thousands of deaths before 7-10 In Palestine , women being raped by settlers and idf, the kidnap and torture by idf and finally the settlers kicking people out of their houses. For once I agree with you

Shalom,
I attended the Magen Inon talk via the livestream Zoom option Yachad had as that was only way to juggle dinner and the childrens’ bedtime on a work day. Inon is a man true to his convictions and one I much admire. I pray every day for a ceasefire followed by a lasting peace. You would think everyone could agree on a concept as simple as stop the bombing to save the children- Palestinian, Israeli and foreign that are trapped or kidnapped in Gaza.

this is why so many are siding with the Palestinians , the language coming out of the other side is so full of hate , racism and Supremacism, you don’t even see them as humans, unbelievable !!

Is that really the big issue rather than the mass torture, murder, rape and kidnap that took place?

and the 'blockade' only exists because ...... well, look what happened when the Gazans got out.
When Gazans got out?
do you even read what you write ?

this is why so many are siding with the Palestinians , the language coming out of the other side is so full of hate , racism and Supremacism, you don’t even see them as humans, unbelievable !!

Shalom, Rebeka.
I attended a Yachad talk yesterday given by Mogen Inon, whose parents were killed on Oct 7th. Totally incidentally I had read a Haaret article about his parents before Oct 7th showing their home.
Did you by any chance attend at all? He mentioned the Zeyadnahs and showed photos. It turns out he knew them well, grew up with them.
Deeply sad times.

Ok apologies. Totally missed the title of the post. I only saw the new title.

If you bothered to read my post properly and the subsequent posts you will see that I reported the TITLE of the original post and it was changed by MNHQ as I requested.

By telling the truth?
so many Palestinians from Haza and the West Bank have been kidnapped, yet no one seems to give a crap about where they are and whether they are alive or not? Dont their lives matter

Wassim Ayyash, a young man with special needs from the village of Rafat, Southwest of Ramallah ,went missing two days ago. Today, the israeli army returned his corpse with signs of torture all over his body.

https://twitter.com/svhibe/status/1720797174986948783

And yet Israel leadership and forces are treating the Palestinian victims of Hamas as if they were Hamas. It is guilt by association along ethnic or religious lines. We would never countenance such an approach for anything else. I remember when Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated by a far right wing Jewish murderer in 1995.

Israel’s reaction would have been completely different if Hamas or PLO had done it, they both existed then and that is a problem.

It’s never moral for nation governments to engage in collective punishment of entire populations along guilt by association due to shared ethnicity or religion.

@SomeoneBurntTheToastAgain
Shalom aleichem,

I don’t know what your family has been through, so I don’t judge them. I’d like to think if my brother in Israel lost my nephew to a terror attack, he and my sister in law would still be peace activists. Or if I lost my daughter while visiting them, that I would too. Or if we’d/they’d been taken hostage. But I can’t know that, it’s easy to think it, but I can’t know. It’s an instinctive human reaction to being attacked to hate the group your attacker is from. That is one reason I fear for Israel postGaza, there are now two million very traumatised humans not connected to Hamas all with cause to hate us/our families and are more vulnerable to being radicalised into Hamas or a new future terrorist gang. The current IDF assault on Gaza can only achieve a pyrrhic victory.

So for my family, it is a critical time to call for a cease fire. For us, national unity should be behind breaking this cycle of kill or be killed, not ensuring it endures for yet more generations by sowing the seeds of future destruction.

I don’t if you saw this news regarding the Zeadnas family.

I pray for an end to the suffering and violence,
I pray for hope and peace for all, oseh shalom.

“The Zeadnas saw one family member killed, four kidnapped and another hailed a hero for saving dozens from Hamas death squads, yet as a community their position is far from simple”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/04/between-two-flames-the-bedouin-family-that-came-to-embody-tragedy-and-courage-on-israels-darkest-day

@RebekaTuwin
thank you for your balanced and thoughtful response.

Sadly my Israeli family are different to yours. Our extended family WhatsApp group exploded on Oct 7th and many hateful comments were made. I’d always seen snatches of anti-Arab sentiment but it would be quickly retracted/deleted. But on the 7th the mask slipped and it was awful to read. Some of the wording was along the lines of “it’s time to get rid of these Arabs for once and for all.” (Arabs in the group too, by the way.)
So sad as we’re such a wonderfully diverse family. Many of us non Jewish and non Israelis even know basic Hebrew!
and no, my family won’t be protesting against Netanyahu. Their feelings at the moment is that there needs to be national unity and now is not the time to try to oust Bibi or call for a ceasefire.

Israel through their strict control of imports and exports deny Palestinians the chance to have any kind of thriving economy

People with jobs, security, equal rights and their basic needs met are far less likely to turn into terrorists. We could learn a lot from how other nations have managed to live in a multicultural society and reduce or even eliminate domestic terrorism. They didn’t get to a place of relative peace and security through gradual or continued dehumanisation of an ethnicity.

Are you just going to ignore the bit that most are outraged about
The torture part?
Beaten, harrased, stripped naked and kept tied up for hours, having boiling water thrown on

Israel doesn't occupy Gaza and the 'blockade' only exists because ...... well, look what happened when the Gazans got out. The Hamas leadership are rich kleptocrats. They have plundered Gaza for their own benefit.

What? How did having workers from Gaza end up a mistake? It’s not like Gazan workers went to their job sites, picked up concealed weapons and then started murdering innocent Israelis.

It was the jobless Hamas fighters who bulldozed and paraglided their way out of Gaza that did the attack.

No worries. Apologies again.

And, as I said, no Israeli worker could dare to set foot in Gaza and survive. Why do we hold Palestinians to such lower standards of behaviour? Is that really the ideology we want to back?

Israel is the occupying power. As the occupying power Israel have responsibilities to the people that they occupy. Israel through their strict control of imports and exports deny Palestinians the chance to have any kind of thriving economy. There is a massive power imbalance between the occupied and the occupiers, of course you have to hold the oppressor to a higher standard than the oppressed. As an aside nobody except the IDF would want to work in Gaza as due to the purposefully crippled economy wages are far lower there and who would want the nightmare of going through checkpoints everyday for shite wages?

It was a bit lost in translation.

I agree there is a lot of hate on SM. I agree that there are extremists who are racist and hate Palestinians. I agree that IDF has a culture of racism, violence and brutality, I have protested against it.

I am an Israeli citizen. I have the passport. I do not live there now. Most of my Israeli family and friends are also peace activists. We are protesting. Why isn’t your family?
https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20231030-israeli-hostage-families-call-for-ceasefire-amid-mounting-anger

Thinking that the Israeli government represents Israel as a whole is the kind of thinking that results in thinking that Hamas represents Palestinians as a whole. In every nation or territory, there is always dissent. It is never the case that everyone agrees with what their government does no matter the type of government whether a democracy, a monarchy, or even a terrorist dictatorship.

No but I certainly wouldn’t be killing a child at an average of every 10 minutes just to prove I could.

If Israel kept hold of these men in would be damned, if it sends them back it is also damned. It took a lot of persuasion from the international community for Israel to open itself up to Gazan workers, and that relaxation of security turned out to be a massive, deadly mistake.

When the UK interned enemy nationals during WWII it was a hugely unfair, although understandable, measure. However, the UK was only worried about spies and saboteurs (bad enough); can you imagine if we had to worry about enemy aliens who had been ordered to go to small towns and villages and torture to death everyone they could get their hands on? It's another level of infiltration.

And, as I said, no Israeli worker could dare to set foot in Gaza and survive. Why do we hold Palestinians to such lower standards of behaviour? Is that really the ideology we want to back?

If your neighbouring country comes in and massacres 1,400 people in the most brutal and disgusting ways imaginable, would you be letting random citizens of that country in? Of course not. Why is Israel held to impossible standards that would never be expected of other nations? Oh, I know. Jews.

@SomeCatFromJapan Yes, you're right, we are not at war with Russia. It's hard to make comparisons. In the UK we don't have millions of people held in a strip of land, so it's different to conflicts which take place abroad, I suppose.