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Israels airstrikes have targeted an ambulance carrying injured civilians towards the Rafah border...

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starfleet · 03/11/2023 14:59

The images coming through on news channels are horrific.

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graciousmouse · 03/11/2023 18:03

Ignore the derailers claiming "fake news". The same names pop up over and over again on every thread with the same propaganda and attempts to detract from what is really going on.

NotTerfNorCis · 03/11/2023 18:03

The ambulance bombing is on BBC news right now.

SomeCatFromJapan · 03/11/2023 18:02

@NotTerfNorCis that does make sense as everything else looked genuine. Unfortunately he is playing into the hands of people looking to discredit footage - and that happens on both "sides", there was huge denial around the 7 October stuff - but I suppose if he's more into self-aggrandisement he won't care.

OuiOuiKitty · 03/11/2023 18:01

Parkingt111 · 03/11/2023 17:28

There's absolute chaos in Al shifa hospital
The surgeons and staff must be traumatised by what they witness everyday yet still continue

The scenes from the hospital are just awful. I don't know how the medics keep going. So many people everywhere needing help and no space/supplies to treat them. It's unthinkable.

NotTerfNorCis · 03/11/2023 18:00

Sorry to hear what you've been through, Heidi.

It is possible this man thinks he's doing good by getting the story out. There's no way he hasn't noticed that the Israeli side is using him in their own propaganda though. And he won't stop.

dadoodoodoo · 03/11/2023 17:59

@Fizzadora "There was no fucking justification for what happened on October 7th yet some apologists for terrorism seem to have completely forgotten that."

I agree there was no justification - but as you say it was a terrorist atrocity. Israel is supposed to be a civilized, democratic nation so I don't think it's too much for us to criticise it when it violates the international rules of engagement - as documented by the UN, Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch. I agree we should wait and find out what exactly happened in this case but there is certainly enough evidence over the past week to justify our concerns.

Weddingpuzzle · 03/11/2023 17:55

Surplus2requirements · 03/11/2023 17:46

Why is it so difficult to understand people are horrified by the harm done to both Israeli and Palestinian civilians?

I know, this is not the horror Olympics FFS.

HeidiInTheBigCity · 03/11/2023 17:55

NotTerfNorCis · 03/11/2023 17:25

Before we go any further. There IS a man going about filming himself, or getting others to film him, pretending to be in roles he isn't. He even picks up injured babies and pretends to be their father. (The real father could have been killed in the same Israeli attack!) It's very clear he's doing it for himself, he's fame hungry and a narcissist. We have loads of similar specimens in the West - the only difference is, he happens to be in a war zone.

In one video, he's pretending to be Israeli. There's no way this is Hamas propaganda - if it was, it'd be the most self-defeating propaganda ever.

I know whom you mean, and that does seem to happen to be the case!

I do not think he is necessarily a "crisis actor", though. Probably a deeply disturbed, given the circumstances he is living under and has been for years: brutally traumatised individual!

Look, I am on the record as "I have [excellently treated, by the very best that British psychiatry had to offer on the subject] war trauma - over this very conflict". I am really, really, personally struggling these days! I suffer from sudden, violent flashbacks but also intense "survivor's guilt". I am a white, British upper-middle-class woman, a corporate executive, a "women in tech" success story - and I am holding on by a thread! I have been seeing a therapist again, for the first time in a decade, since the war broke out!

... on balance, and here comes my actual point: I think there is at least plausible reason out there to consider the possibility that this man is not some Hamas-sponsored propagandist but a very traumatised, very damaged person who has had access to far fewer opportunities to obtain help!

Reallifelurker · 03/11/2023 17:51

Before we go any further. There IS a man going about filming himself, or getting others to film him, pretending to be in roles he isn't. He even picks up injured babies and pretends to be their father. (The real father could have been killed in the same Israeli attack!) It's very clear he's doing it for himself, he's fame hungry and a narcissist. We have loads of similar specimens in the West - the only difference is, he happens to be in a war zone.

Yes he’s probably one of these would - be social media celebrities rather than an actor. The devastation he was filming looked real enough anyway.

Fizzadora · 03/11/2023 17:50

starfleet · 03/11/2023 15:57

I quoted the wording a reputable news agency used.

It was a convoy of ambulances that was targeted. There is no justification for this attack. None.

There was no fucking justification for what happened on October 7th yet some apologists for terrorism seem to have completely forgotten that.

Redlarge · 03/11/2023 17:49

petuniasandpetals · 03/11/2023 17:44

If you are horrified by this footage I suggest you watch the Israeli website with details of the massacre carried out on October 7th.
And ...do we even know who hit the ambulance?
NB. I've seen that guy on numerous videos.

Who do you think hit the ambulance? Barbie and Ken?

Surplus2requirements · 03/11/2023 17:46

petuniasandpetals · 03/11/2023 17:44

If you are horrified by this footage I suggest you watch the Israeli website with details of the massacre carried out on October 7th.
And ...do we even know who hit the ambulance?
NB. I've seen that guy on numerous videos.

Why is it so difficult to understand people are horrified by the harm done to both Israeli and Palestinian civilians?

Growlybear83 · 03/11/2023 17:45

After each new horror, I think the Israelis can't do anything more terrible, but once again I've been proved wrong. When is someone going to do something to stop them?

petuniasandpetals · 03/11/2023 17:44

If you are horrified by this footage I suggest you watch the Israeli website with details of the massacre carried out on October 7th.
And ...do we even know who hit the ambulance?
NB. I've seen that guy on numerous videos.

queenofarles · 03/11/2023 17:38

SomeCatFromJapan

that man had his leg amputated back in August ,
his name is Mohammed Zendiq, he lost his leg after an attack by the Israeli forces on a refugee camp on July 24.
the other blogger is named Saleh.

HeidiInTheBigCity · 03/11/2023 17:36

For the record:

Tomorrow, it is not only going to be me and my "political" friends at the marches!

It is going to be my disabled mum and three of her friends, too!

It is going to be my sister, who has so far been to afraid to come because she feared getting sanctioned at work, too - and six of her friends!

It is going to be my Palestinian ex-husband, who has been so scared to expose himself that he has not even dared to say the "P"-word out loud so far!

It is, literally, going to be my boss at this point! And his wife and sons!

Weddingpuzzle · 03/11/2023 17:29

That is CRAZY if that's what he is doing. Like I said there's enough real grief and horror. Though Hamas hardly seem the bastions of sanity and moral clarity, so if that's what he's up to it could be that they are sending people out into the abyss as state actors. I'd be surprised if Hamas have the capacity to do that though as they must have, at best, 20,000 people left (they started off with 25k members and it's estimated they've lost about 5k, 1500 on October 7th and 3500 in fighting/airstrikes). I'm not even sure if it's as simple as Hamas versus IDF now. I'm pretty sure there'll be other nations who've implanted people into Gaza.

Tbh there seem to be zero rules and anything could be going on, or he could just be a crackers citizen who is grief touring and inserting himself here, there and everywhere IF it's true.

Redlarge · 03/11/2023 17:28

NotTerfNorCis · 03/11/2023 17:25

Before we go any further. There IS a man going about filming himself, or getting others to film him, pretending to be in roles he isn't. He even picks up injured babies and pretends to be their father. (The real father could have been killed in the same Israeli attack!) It's very clear he's doing it for himself, he's fame hungry and a narcissist. We have loads of similar specimens in the West - the only difference is, he happens to be in a war zone.

In one video, he's pretending to be Israeli. There's no way this is Hamas propaganda - if it was, it'd be the most self-defeating propaganda ever.

I wouldnt have thought it was Hamas propaganda. More likely people trying to portray news reports of dead bodies etc as fake if that makes sense. Discrediting them.
So yes he is self defeating if he does exist and thats what hes doing.

Parkingt111 · 03/11/2023 17:28

There's absolute chaos in Al shifa hospital
The surgeons and staff must be traumatised by what they witness everyday yet still continue

Israels airstrikes have targeted an ambulance carrying injured civilians towards the Rafah border...
NotTerfNorCis · 03/11/2023 17:25

Before we go any further. There IS a man going about filming himself, or getting others to film him, pretending to be in roles he isn't. He even picks up injured babies and pretends to be their father. (The real father could have been killed in the same Israeli attack!) It's very clear he's doing it for himself, he's fame hungry and a narcissist. We have loads of similar specimens in the West - the only difference is, he happens to be in a war zone.

In one video, he's pretending to be Israeli. There's no way this is Hamas propaganda - if it was, it'd be the most self-defeating propaganda ever.

Dulra · 03/11/2023 17:25

Neriah · 03/11/2023 17:20

Ah. And Palestinians are known to murder women and children in their beds are they?

I do not excuse either side their actions, but there is no evidence that ambulances have been targetted. In a war, and this is war, precision bombing etc is not always possible. After all, poeple have been known to hit their own troops in war, and I doubt anyone was targetting them.

Everything about this war is awful. Wars are awful. But no side has the moral high ground here. If Hamas want to have all out war with all Jews and obliterate the state of Israel (which is what they have clearly said, and I doubt they meant they intended to tickle them to death) then they should have the guts to stop hiding behind their own people. They want a fight? Get out there in the open, and take on the "enemy" - armed troops not women, children and festival goers. Funny how they talk big and hide behind the skirts of women and children when someone their own size appears.

Yes war is horrific but it does not mean innocent civilians can be targeted and killed. There are laws in war and if you break them you are committing war crimes which Israel (and Hamas) are

Redlarge · 03/11/2023 17:24

SomeCatFromJapan · 03/11/2023 17:19

It's the same man.

Who cares. Its likely propoganda. You literally posted earlier on this thread and said that you saw stuff on X 'so its not verified'.

inkworks273 · 03/11/2023 17:24

SomeCatFromJapan · 03/11/2023 17:22

I'm sure you'll have no problem linking some videos of this "actor"?

There's this one and a few more links in the comments. Please note I do not follow/condone the account posting, this is a search result.

https://twitter.com/leslibless/status/1717626844390797748

Perhaps he's just a civilian who has decided to document Israel's war crimes.

Surplus2requirements · 03/11/2023 17:23

SomeCatFromJapan · 03/11/2023 17:18

@Redlarge that's what's confusing me though. I mean clearly people are getting killed in large numbers by the airstrikes and I'm not disputing that. But this guy is an actor who has cropped up repeatedly, it should be okay to point that out as it is factual.

There is no timeline on the videos. Only the posters word that one is yesterday and one is today.

Narcfamilies · 03/11/2023 17:23

If it is the same man maybe he’s some kind of unofficial journalist - as i expect they may be struggling at bit at the moment and he’s trying to expose what is happening?