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Israels airstrikes have targeted an ambulance carrying injured civilians towards the Rafah border...

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starfleet · 03/11/2023 14:59

The images coming through on news channels are horrific.

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LostThePot · 03/11/2023 16:43

HorryHornblower · 03/11/2023 16:37

The man in the linked video has been in lots of staged videos for Hamas - he’s an actor - he’s been a singer, he’s been a journalist, he’s been a doctor and he’s been lying in a hospital bed pretending to be critically injured (while all the hospital machines were turned off). He was also seen celebrating in the street as Hamas rockets went flying overhead.

search “hamas crisis actor” on X

They are different people.

The guy in the hospital bed lost his leg in July 2023 and the video of him is from August 2023.

There are numerous websites that have debunked the claims using reverse image searches.

lucalucss · 03/11/2023 16:42

If you have Instagram see @everydaypalestine and @eye.on.palestine

HorryHornblower · 03/11/2023 16:37

The man in the linked video has been in lots of staged videos for Hamas - he’s an actor - he’s been a singer, he’s been a journalist, he’s been a doctor and he’s been lying in a hospital bed pretending to be critically injured (while all the hospital machines were turned off). He was also seen celebrating in the street as Hamas rockets went flying overhead.

search “hamas crisis actor” on X

FOJN · 03/11/2023 16:37

OhHelloTheres · 03/11/2023 16:05

Either way, my thoughts are with those injured. It looks beyond awful.

Why would your thoughts be with those injured?

According to you they might have been Hamas fighters hitching a lift in an ambulance.

If they were Hamas fighters I couldn't give a fuck about them but we both know they were not.

The excuses for Israel's actions get more demented by the day.

HeidiInTheBigCity · 03/11/2023 16:36

They have not bombed an ambulance.

They have bombed a whole CONVOY of ambulances. That would be after them bombing people fleeing south on a road - just as they had told them to.

And then they bombed the vicinity of not one but several hospitals!

There is no amount of hasbara that can hide what Israel is doing anymore! This is not war - this is a revenge bloodfest. This is genocide!

I can and will continue to grieve for the Israeli victims of 7/10 and to call for hostages to be freed. But as for the Israeli government - including the so-called "moderates" within the war cabinet:

These people need to go down! What Mossad did to people like Eichmann: THIS needs to be done to them (with the hopefully notable exception that I vehemently disagree with the death penalty): these people will need to be hunted down, brought to justice and locked away - under conditions that guarantee their human rights - for the rest of their fucking lives!

Surplus2requirements · 03/11/2023 16:34

Reports of separate attacks, one of ambulances in front of the hospital and another of a convoy of ambulances on the road to Rafah that was targeted 3 seperate times and forced to turn back north.

Not reported by any Hamas institution but by a doctor being interviewed

Lovepeaceunderstanding · 03/11/2023 16:34

OhHelloTheres · 03/11/2023 15:36

Again - use words responsibly. Saying an ambulance was targeted is a lie. Instead, say it was hit. Language matters.

@OhHelloTheres , it seems a deliberate misrepresentation to me, propaganda call it what you will. There’s a lot of it about…

queenofarles · 03/11/2023 16:31

accidental or targeted if it was full of Hamas members
oh god not the human shields nonsense again,
or do you think an underground tunnel was right under that moving ambulance ?

so inhumane of you to down play such a horrific thing.

Parkingt111 · 03/11/2023 16:30

The vicinity of the Indonesian hospital in Gaza has just been struck again right now
It's terrible
I try not to be emotional on here but it's really very difficult to continue to see

queenofarles · 03/11/2023 16:27

Again - use words responsibly. Saying an ambulance was targeted is a lie. Instead, say it was hit. Language matters
true , language does matter so let’s start by saying people don’t just mysteriously "die "in Gaza they get killed by The Israeli Army with American made bombs.
better?

starfleet · 03/11/2023 16:24

OhHelloTheres · 03/11/2023 16:04

Yes, I can hear myself. It's hard with all the lies constantly being spouted, but I hear myself. Thanks for asking.

And @Shouldimove - honestly? If it was definitely hit by Israel then I would assume it was either accidental or targeted if it was full of Hamas members. It doesn't look like it was hit directly in which case I'd say accidental, but I'd rather wait and see what they say happened. Await some kind of verification.

Sure. "if".

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OhHelloTheres · 03/11/2023 16:23

Livinginanotherworld · 03/11/2023 16:17

Fucking hell, you think it was an accident? I have no words !

Well, yes. I haven't seen any evidence to the contrary. Have you? I'm happy to be proven wrong.

Weddingpuzzle · 03/11/2023 16:22

@PurpleChrayne 'I wonder if anyone accusing the IDF of being "awful" took as much interest in the actions of the US or British army during the gulf wars or the war against Al Qaeda...no jews, no news'

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/11/slugs-iraq-war-london-protest-2003-legacy

Plenty did and do. Lots of people discuss, report on and are aware of world affairs. My colleagues discuss Yemen and on going Saudi military action there frequently. What about the outrage against the Rwandan genocide of Hutu refugees and Interhamwe in the Congo in the 90's? Lots and lots of coverage. Also reporting and coverage of Rohingya refugees who had to flee their homes in Myanmar’s Rakhine State.

You might want to re write history, but there was, is and always have been plenty of opposition to military action and reporting of it.

‘A beautiful outpouring of rage’: did Britain’s biggest ever protest change the world?

In February 2003, 1.5 million people protested in London against the looming conflict. They didn’t stop the war… but their legacy still looms large

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/11/slugs-iraq-war-london-protest-2003-legacy

Livinginanotherworld · 03/11/2023 16:17

OhHelloTheres · 03/11/2023 16:04

Yes, I can hear myself. It's hard with all the lies constantly being spouted, but I hear myself. Thanks for asking.

And @Shouldimove - honestly? If it was definitely hit by Israel then I would assume it was either accidental or targeted if it was full of Hamas members. It doesn't look like it was hit directly in which case I'd say accidental, but I'd rather wait and see what they say happened. Await some kind of verification.

Fucking hell, you think it was an accident? I have no words !

inkworks273 · 03/11/2023 16:14

PastorCarrBonarra · 03/11/2023 16:13

Horrific suffering. Netanyahu hellbent on revenge.

Revenge has nothing to do with it. It's his excuse for committing a genocide which is what he's always wanted.

Livinginanotherworld · 03/11/2023 16:13

hamstersarse · 03/11/2023 15:21

So you think Israel "are known for" unprovoked random attacks on civilians.

Right.

Of course they are, but they have really reached the depths of inhumanity over these last few days. Evil evil government I hope they all end up in The Hague for warcrimes.

PastorCarrBonarra · 03/11/2023 16:13

Horrific suffering. Netanyahu hellbent on revenge.

ketchup07070 · 03/11/2023 16:08

Blinken just visited to urge some restraint and humanitarian pauses. Not sure he has had much impact. Netanyahu is pushing on using 'our full power.'

Purpleplace · 03/11/2023 16:06

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Are you very young? Because I can assure you that the actions of the US and British armies in the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan etc were widely covered in the news and there was a very large number of people in the media and in the public who were against it. In 2003 1.5 million people marched in London against the war in Iraq, this wasn’t a hush hush thing we didn’t know about. People very much “took an interest”, even if you apparently aren’t aware of it.

Parkingt111 · 03/11/2023 16:06

@PurpleChrayne
The same IDF that bombed the Israeli designated safe zones in the south? The day after it told the civilians to move there
This is from BBC VERIFY btw before you casually dismiss it as Hamas propaganda

Israels airstrikes have targeted an ambulance carrying injured civilians towards the Rafah border...
OhHelloTheres · 03/11/2023 16:05

Either way, my thoughts are with those injured. It looks beyond awful.

inkworks273 · 03/11/2023 16:05

Horrific. Absolutely horrific. There's no defending the Israeli government at this point.

OhHelloTheres · 03/11/2023 16:04

FOJN · 03/11/2023 15:47

Instead of saying killed by Israeli forces say unalived by a country defending itself.

Is that the kind of thing you would prefer, I'd hate to use words irresponsibly, that would be so much worse than using weapons of war irresponsibly.

Can you even hear yourself?

Yes, I can hear myself. It's hard with all the lies constantly being spouted, but I hear myself. Thanks for asking.

And @Shouldimove - honestly? If it was definitely hit by Israel then I would assume it was either accidental or targeted if it was full of Hamas members. It doesn't look like it was hit directly in which case I'd say accidental, but I'd rather wait and see what they say happened. Await some kind of verification.

Parkingt111 · 03/11/2023 16:01

@PurpleChrayne there's alot of minimising there
It's not just a bunch of mumsnetters who are criticising the IDF
It's a lot of countries, individuals, human rights groups etc

OhHelloTheres · 03/11/2023 16:00

starfleet · 03/11/2023 15:57

I quoted the wording a reputable news agency used.

It was a convoy of ambulances that was targeted. There is no justification for this attack. None.

No you didn't. You quoted Al Jazeera. The same people who literally filmed a rocket from Gaza hitting a hospital in Gaza and then quickly deleted the footage and said it was Israel's fault.

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