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Israels airstrikes have targeted an ambulance carrying injured civilians towards the Rafah border...

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starfleet · 03/11/2023 14:59

The images coming through on news channels are horrific.

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Redlarge · 03/11/2023 17:08

NotTerfNorCis · 03/11/2023 16:59

Why would they need crisis actors when thousands are dying for real?

They don't. Its not real/propaganda

Weddingpuzzle · 03/11/2023 17:07

Are you for real? There is enough horror being documented - there are bits of bodies strewn on the road, children with their skulls missing, videos of traumatised children in hospitals, drone footage of mass graves, craters in the ground, men searching through rubble screaming for their children, dead horses, videos of people throwing stones being shot, aerial shots of entire areas flattened, live pictures of bombing and on and on and on. If it was safe enough that they were needing false flag actors why on earth have the BBC News, Sky, CNN etc not got journalists in Gaza? Are you really disbelieving the UN, Doctors Without Borders, Amnesty,the Red Cross, huge media outlets.

Is the horror not enough for you?

Redlarge · 03/11/2023 17:04

HeidiInTheBigCity · 03/11/2023 16:57

Not just a doctor - also independent gazawi citizen journalists. The pictures, descriptions, and videos are all over the place!

(If you have not yet: do NOT go to look them up - you will be traumatised and it will not help anyone! As someone who has already had therapy for war trauma: the "random minor detail" that just made me break me down sobbing among all the horror was that of a horse, still in its harness, among all the casualties. I do not expect - nor do I want anyone to - prioritise a horse over the dozens of human casualties. But I could just not help breaking into tears - having taught myself to just somehow NOT, ALL THE TIME, over all the gruesome, cruel shit I see all day, every day!)

Im sorry to hear this. It's incredibly triggering and traumatising seeing this murder of vulnerable and obvious war crimes. It must be overwhelming for you who have been through it.
I would advise a news blackout for yourself for at least a few days. Otherwise, this could really make you ill.
We all feel disgusted and helpless. Protecting yourself from getting ill over this won't stop you caring, but I think from reading your post, you need some self-protection right now. Im so sorry for how triggering this must be and what you went through.

Parkingt111 · 03/11/2023 17:00

The vicinity of Al Quds and the Indonesian hospital both were struck today

Israels airstrikes have targeted an ambulance carrying injured civilians towards the Rafah border...
SomeCatFromJapan · 03/11/2023 17:00

@HorryHornblower my god so it is! It's the same chap that crops up in a variety of roles. Let me see if I can find a source.

NotTerfNorCis · 03/11/2023 16:59

Why would they need crisis actors when thousands are dying for real?

Redlarge · 03/11/2023 16:58

Surplus2requirements · 03/11/2023 16:34

Reports of separate attacks, one of ambulances in front of the hospital and another of a convoy of ambulances on the road to Rafah that was targeted 3 seperate times and forced to turn back north.

Not reported by any Hamas institution but by a doctor being interviewed

There is footage of Isreali army vehicles preventing ambulances from moving amongst gaza too.

Parkingt111 · 03/11/2023 16:58

This is from the Instagram of Palestine Red crescent

Israels airstrikes have targeted an ambulance carrying injured civilians towards the Rafah border...
Surplus2requirements · 03/11/2023 16:58

HorryHornblower · 03/11/2023 16:53

I guess you’ll find what you want to. The same man is in close to a dozen videos now.

Don't believe anything on X from any side without verification from respected international agencies and/or independent fact checkers.

Unless of course you actually want to spread misinformation which im not ruling out.

Redlarge · 03/11/2023 16:57

OhHelloTheres · 03/11/2023 15:36

Again - use words responsibly. Saying an ambulance was targeted is a lie. Instead, say it was hit. Language matters.

No one confirm if it was targetted or hit. So technically both are lies if you think about it.

HeidiInTheBigCity · 03/11/2023 16:57

Surplus2requirements · 03/11/2023 16:34

Reports of separate attacks, one of ambulances in front of the hospital and another of a convoy of ambulances on the road to Rafah that was targeted 3 seperate times and forced to turn back north.

Not reported by any Hamas institution but by a doctor being interviewed

Not just a doctor - also independent gazawi citizen journalists. The pictures, descriptions, and videos are all over the place!

(If you have not yet: do NOT go to look them up - you will be traumatised and it will not help anyone! As someone who has already had therapy for war trauma: the "random minor detail" that just made me break me down sobbing among all the horror was that of a horse, still in its harness, among all the casualties. I do not expect - nor do I want anyone to - prioritise a horse over the dozens of human casualties. But I could just not help breaking into tears - having taught myself to just somehow NOT, ALL THE TIME, over all the gruesome, cruel shit I see all day, every day!)

inkworks273 · 03/11/2023 16:56

Livinginanotherworld · 03/11/2023 16:54

This is what reputable Palestinian journalists are going through…it’s heartbreaking. The reports are being called out as fake by apologists on mumsnet .
https://x.com/RZabaneh/status/1720170885758308355?s=20

its a news report, no pictures of injuries.

Absolutely heartbreaking. There are a lot of people on the wrong side of this. History won't be kind to them.

Livinginanotherworld · 03/11/2023 16:54

This is what reputable Palestinian journalists are going through…it’s heartbreaking. The reports are being called out as fake by apologists on mumsnet .
https://x.com/RZabaneh/status/1720170885758308355?s=20

its a news report, no pictures of injuries.

https://x.com/RZabaneh/status/1720170885758308355?s=20

AngryBirdsNoMore · 03/11/2023 16:54

HorryHornblower · 03/11/2023 16:53

I guess you’ll find what you want to. The same man is in close to a dozen videos now.

You are deliberately spreading misinformation if you perpetuate this lie.

Hamas have done enough terrible things without people making up other stuff.

inkworks273 · 03/11/2023 16:54

HorryHornblower · 03/11/2023 16:53

I guess you’ll find what you want to. The same man is in close to a dozen videos now.

Stop spreading lies.

HorryHornblower · 03/11/2023 16:53

I guess you’ll find what you want to. The same man is in close to a dozen videos now.

FOJN · 03/11/2023 16:52

Parkingt111 · 03/11/2023 16:49

Later from sky
IDF have said they are looking into it

The doctor is either a liar, works for Hamas or can't count. (sarcasm alert for anyone in doubt)

Teentaxidriver · 03/11/2023 16:52

I think the clue as to the veracity of this claim can be detected in the phrase “Hamas-run Gaza health ministry”.

Sky News obviously not averse to spread inflammatory bullshit

AngryBirdsNoMore · 03/11/2023 16:52

HorryHornblower · 03/11/2023 16:37

The man in the linked video has been in lots of staged videos for Hamas - he’s an actor - he’s been a singer, he’s been a journalist, he’s been a doctor and he’s been lying in a hospital bed pretending to be critically injured (while all the hospital machines were turned off). He was also seen celebrating in the street as Hamas rockets went flying overhead.

search “hamas crisis actor” on X

That has been debunked as a conspiracy theory, reported by several outlets:

https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20231027-pallywood-this-hospital-patient-is-not-a-paid-actor-faking-injuries-in-gaza

Truth or Fake - 'Pallywood:' No, this hospital patient is not a 'paid actor' faking injuries in Gaza

Many pro-Israel accounts – and even the official State of Israel account – claim they've spotted staged Palestinian "actors" faking suffering in the Gaza Strip, calling this "Pallywood". They point to…

https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20231027-pallywood-this-hospital-patient-is-not-a-paid-actor-faking-injuries-in-gaza

FOJN · 03/11/2023 16:50

HorryHornblower · 03/11/2023 16:37

The man in the linked video has been in lots of staged videos for Hamas - he’s an actor - he’s been a singer, he’s been a journalist, he’s been a doctor and he’s been lying in a hospital bed pretending to be critically injured (while all the hospital machines were turned off). He was also seen celebrating in the street as Hamas rockets went flying overhead.

search “hamas crisis actor” on X

I googled "Hamas crisis actor" and this is what came up.

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/image-shows-child-halloween-costume-not-crisis-actor-gaza-2023-10-31/

Fact Check logo

Fact Check: Image shows child in Halloween costume, not crisis actor in Gaza

An image of a child dressed in a Halloween costume that dates to at least October 2022 has been shared miscaptioned as showing a crisis actor in Gaza pretending to be a corpse amid the Israel-Hamas war that began on Oct. 7, 2023.

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/image-shows-child-halloween-costume-not-crisis-actor-gaza-2023-10-31

Teentaxidriver · 03/11/2023 16:49

LittleMissFullOfIt - nice attempt to smear Israel. Perhaps Hamas were using the ambulance to transport fights, weaponry, etc. I mean, in truth, that is what Hamas does: embed itself in civilian areas and use civilians as shields.

Parkingt111 · 03/11/2023 16:49

Later from sky
IDF have said they are looking into it

Israels airstrikes have targeted an ambulance carrying injured civilians towards the Rafah border...
LostThePot · 03/11/2023 16:47

The claims that the video of the ‘dead body’ texting when wrapped in a shroud has also been debunked.

The original video was from a protest in Egypt a while ago.

Surplus2requirements · 03/11/2023 16:45

HorryHornblower · 03/11/2023 16:37

The man in the linked video has been in lots of staged videos for Hamas - he’s an actor - he’s been a singer, he’s been a journalist, he’s been a doctor and he’s been lying in a hospital bed pretending to be critically injured (while all the hospital machines were turned off). He was also seen celebrating in the street as Hamas rockets went flying overhead.

search “hamas crisis actor” on X

Like the picture of an injured 8 year old boy that the official Israeli Gov account on X claimed was a doll that was completely debunked by the BBC