Is anyone's mental health affected by simply reading about the horrors of October 7th

The reason is because we know better, we don’t support the nazis because they’re racist bastards. We don’t support the Russians because they are communist bastards ( aka people under a dictatorship without any say or control over their situation literally zero change from life under a tsar vs life under putin) but hey, three cheers for communism! Most suppressed people don’t care if they’re being suppressed by a corrupt blood line government or a greedy corrupt government. Outcome - the same. If someone can explain to me how China is a communist country with its wealth being benefited by all rather than a corrupt nation with only the elite being able to access ‘rights’ and benefits please explain. I’m all ears.

Why does anyone attack anyone? Strategy. They thought it would pay off. It didn't, obviously, in retrospect. They didn't factor the nuke into their calculations. At that point it was a distant shadow, not the monster actually decimating humankind it's become.

7th Dec 1941 Japanese Empire attacked neutral USA colony, why? Please elaborate x

I mean, I remember people saying that when I was young and passionate and I ignored them, because what did they know, right?

( only the full weight of history, but whatever.)

@Stomacharmeleon I get pulled all ways really, my work means I've done that. Tbh I'm in my fifties now and I just wish people would stfu and start fucking listening to each other. It's not like we haven't been here before.

But then I remember people saying that when I was young and passionate and believed in shit so probably it will all carry on.

@Coshofliving do you?

Everyone in the modern world sees things in terms of goodies and baddies. Which are which depends where you are. And whether or not you're losing. Israel/Palestine is a cipher both ways. Which sucks, if you're an actual person who happens to live there.

@Coshofliving two days after Hiroshima (8th august)., as agreed in the Yalta and the Tehran conferences In 1943 and 1946 josef Stalin declared war on Japan.

This has widely to have been assumed as to why Truman ordered Nagasaki not only for further force them to Surrender but to show the Soviet's military might.

Yeah but you’re saying one is a victim and the other the aggressor. I’m not.

Well ok let's pretend that USA didn't want to expand its empire too . Let's ignore Korea and Vietnam and the whole of South America lol.

Ofc Jewish people themselves are nothing to do with this, but were used by the USA, just as USA uses Israel now. Promised land on all sides needing guns and firepower and mercenaries, apparently.

Let’s just pretend that Japan didn’t want to expand its empire… they committed no war crimes … would you be kind enough to remind me why they entered the war….

@Stomacharmeleon the Russians were already in the war, had already won the war. They won it and then got too big for their boots. USA used nuclear firepower against civilians and retrospectively justified it by wildly gesturing to holocaust and all other war crimes, plus had more money and could shade Russia.

I think at lot of the dismay that has been expressed on this thread is that I would have assumed most people would be utterly disgusted at the atrocities that have occurred on either side. I’m shocked at the indifference people are displaying to people celebrating in the street at Jewish deaths. The celebration is disgusting. There is categorically no denying that there have been celebrations over the events and people justifying it saying it’s what they deserved. Hamas (the current ruling party of Palestine) is calling for the complete eradication of Israel. What would you like to see happen?

Do you have any understanding about what the western alliance did? Can you not countenance them taking a small responsibility for using atomic bombs on civilian populations?

@Coshofliving dropping atomic bombs one Hiroshima and Nagasaki had nothing to do with the holocaust.

It had everything to do with American wanting Japan to surrender unconditionally as they wouldn't and to prevent Russia from entering the war and soviet troops being sent there. A display of American military power if you will.

Did you not learn about ww2 in history class? Do you have any understanding of the war and the Japanese involvement??

Please tell me you’re not trying to blame the Jews for Hiroshima??

@Coshofliving at the moment I very much believe that to be true.

Oh well Christ obviously all of life should come with a trigger warning.

I think this whole thread should come with a trigger warning. I'm so upset by some of the stuff I've just read here. I realise that probably is self-indulgent, but I can't help it. I didn't expect to read descriptions of the most heinous crimes of October 7th, and I don't know if it's something sensitive souls can recover from reading about. The horror of it. Hiding this thread, just as I've stopped following the news because I can't bear it.
I feel so sorry for people personally affected by the horror in the middle-east, on both sides. Completely horrific. I wish humans were incapable of doing such terrible things. Well, fortunately most of us are. I don't know what else to say 😔

I think this whole thread should come with a trigger warning. I'm so upset by some of the stuff I've just read here. I realise that probably is self-indulgent, but I can't help it. I didn't expect to read descriptions of the most heinous crimes of October 7th, and I don't know if it's something sensitive souls can recover from reading about. The horror of it. Hiding this thread, just as I've stopped following the news because I can't bear it.
I feel so sorry for people personally affected by the horror in the middle-east, on both sides. Completely horrific. I wish humans were incapable of doing such terrible things. Well, fortunately most of us are. I don't know what else to say 😔

We've had this dialogue before though. You know : the Holocaust was terrible, so the only response is Nagasaki and Hiroshima. (Both of which would absolutely be war crimes if undertaken by a losing side).

Don't seem to have got any further.

It's ok and thank you for your apology
none of us are perfect and it's definitely something i should also try and improve on