Is anyone's mental health affected by simply reading about the horrors of October 7th

I hate the fact I have just typed that. I really really hope it's refuted. The other option is just too horrible for me to keep thinking about.

I hope it not true, it's the worst thing I've ever heard if it is. The rest of it is bad enough.

Please can you link to the cut off hands/feet? I haven’t heard of that.

Paramedic Linor Atias gave an interview, link here.

https://twitter.com/ishivamkahar/status/1719664074567614509?t=LcaJAHQNsLiSSiS6YNkEJQ&s=19

A rescuer called Moshe Malayan is quoted in the press as talking about a family who'd been mutilated before murder including the little girl's foot chopped off. I haven't yet found his own account, only quotes. I'll see if there's an interview with him.

I could not sleep after seeing/ reading about the 7th October attacks. Like girls set on fire alive, babies baked in the oven, children shot, people beheaded alive, hundreds of bodies at the festival etc. I know I should have not watched or read it but without knowing it I would have not understood what Hamas really is. I also seen video of Palestinian women and children killed by Hamas while trying to escape the area being bombed. And a video where one of their leaders saying "bomb shelters are for Hamas, UN and Israel should worry women and children". They truly are not human and should be eliminated; I feel very sad I have not seen any anti-Hamas posters at the pro-Palestinian protests in the West. Hamas are pure evil.

@Milkandhoneybees

https://x.com/BenjaminSales/status/1719531771736252566?s=20

Warning - disturbing

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It's like top trumps of torture.

@Milkandhoneybees no I wasn't I was talking about Asher Moskowitz.
I really hope it wasn't true.
The only thing I think about the 'putting the baby in the oven for safekeeping' theory is that they are unlikely to have then switched it on (the babies parents) and the first responder said the baby had element burns.

I hate the fact I have just typed that. I really really hope it's refuted. The other option is just too horrible for me to keep thinking about.

No, Beer said that he told his account based on what Moskowitz told him. He was not there.

Moskowitz said that there were burns on the body, that was already in a body bag when he found the poor baby — i.e. he did not find the baby in an oven, he found it in a body bag — that he thought meant the baby could have been baked in the oven. Beer then spreads it as fact.

Even the Telegraph haven’t reported on what Beer has said! Let alone the BBC.

Likewise, no article from either the Times of Israel or Haaretz regarding the Moskowitz/Beer claims.

No credible journalists would report on it.

Please can you link to the cut off hands/feet? I haven’t heard of that.

For the record, I do “condemn” what Hamas did, which, from the evidence that has been verified by third parties (such as the human rights watch), comprised of them killing civilians. However, there is a huge amount that is circulating that is not properly evidenced

So unless a third party saw it, you won't believe it? If only the Israelis had thought to embed people from HRW etc in with the police and first responders or ask them to provide forensic scientists so they could confirm the autopsy results were correct. How remiss of them.

Could be both,

for several reasons on 7 th October while many people on this side of wall are celebrating and dancing..at the same place other side of the wall, there is no life and hope makes me much more distressed.

If Gazans elected Hama's, Israelis accepted Nethanyahu. Both are same.

Though both civilians went in same path, you find people like me sympathising the weakest is blamed as anti-Semitism.

Even ZAKA (a disaster victim identification organisation in Israel) have said his claims are false.

Do you have a source for that?

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Asher Moskowitz, a member of a rescue team, is one who said he actually found it. It's quite possible they were both there.

https://www.thejc.com/news/news/i-saw-a-baby-who-had-been-baked-in-an-oven-says-israeli-emergency-worker-6A8bb0Tq56ytMO46OevOzy

And no, neither he or Eli Beer are forensic scientists but Israel has quite a few of those.

TBH, I'd have thought at one time it sounded far-fetched that somebody would deliberately chop the hands or feet off a child but it definitely looks like that happened on the 7th of October.

Edited to add link.

You speak in hyperbole as if that’s going to add weight to what are empty words.

If you don’t care about truth then that’s your prerogative, crack on, but you’re not the only person on this thread.

That “ridiculous theory” was proposed by Eli Beer, the same man who said that Hamas put the baby in the oven. Read my posts again.

The fact that you think that what he’s saying is crackpot nonsense, really says a lot! I’d have to agree with you there.

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Here are some more things he has said:

The soldiers sliced open the stomach of a pregnant mother, “took out the baby, and stabbed the little tiny baby in front of her and then shot her in front of her family,” he said.

“These are not regular enemies, these are not regular situations,” Beer added. “I saw little kids who were beheaded. We didn’t know which head belonged to which kid.”

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It’s all from the same guy…

Once again, what happened on 7th October is already horrific without some nut job having his 5 minutes of fame, spouting completely unsubstantiated claims.

I just googled him and they’re now going to parade him around the US to spout his claims in order to drum up support:

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/rymtz11tga

Even ZAKA (a disaster victim identification organisation in Israel) have said his claims are false.

Absolutely not.

Why would I be affected by the Muslims and Jews who have been fighting for many decades. I'm neither of those religions and also the war isn't a threat to me in the uk,

I think you have an extreme double standard about this and it's in incredibly poor taste to blunder onto a thread for people who are sharing their emotions about the atrocity, to demand more evidence and put forward ludicrous theories about parents putting their own baby in an oven for safe keeping.

Are you talking about Eli Beer? Please read my post again.

Beer clarified that he was not sure if the parents put the baby there to hide them from Hamas and that the baby could have just burnt in the house fire, rather than being put in there by Hamas and roasted.

I would also like to add that a paramedic is not an expert in forensics.

Do you not think it sounds completely far-fetched that someone would bake a baby?

I feel like people have lost all sense of reality in their grief and the people who stand to benefit from that grief are using it to their advantage.

There is first responder statements @Milkandhoneybees.
It has been on several threads.

If you’re going to make such large claims regarding what Hamas did then I suggest you back it up with links and quotes, like most people do.

For the record, I do “condemn” what Hamas did, which, from the evidence that has been verified by third parties (such as the human rights watch), comprised of them killing civilians.

However, there is a huge amount that is circulating that is not properly evidenced.

One such example is that Hamas “burned babies alive in ovens”:

“However, while in his initial statements, Beers seemingly accused Hamas of burning the baby alive in the oven, in an interview with the New York Sun, Beer clarified that they do not know what exactly transpired at the house where the baby was found dead in the oven.

Beer told the Sun that he does not know if the baby was placed there by Hamas or the parents who were trying to protect the child from the assailants who broke into their home and killed them before setting the house on fire.”

I don’t think it’s helpful to spread unverified accounts (i.e. rumours), when this hysteria is what is being used to justify killing kids and babies in their thousands.

What Hamas did (i.e. the deliberate killing of innocent civilians) is already morally wrong and a war crime.

It's an extension of the Jew bashing, antisemitism that pervades many of these threads.

And I say that as a Jewish person who has never supported Israeli politics.

Totally agree. Awful denying what happened. Disgusting comments.

Yes, we agree! But no one else does. Sucks to be us really.

Or, sucks to be us and everyone else.

I thought I wan’t going to like you, then you go and post something that I agree with 100%. I think we have the same end goal, people need to stop being dicks. P

Ok, I'm seeing a lot of truth here but I'm not sure what point you're addressing.

I agree with you that neither Russia nor China have experienced democracy, and as they're global powers we need to think about what that means, for all of us. I don't think we really have and are kind of sleepwalking in the worst way. Re fascists/ Nazis, sadly that's not gone away. You know your man in Ukraine that everyone loves because he "stood up to Russia" (see, there's that goodies/baddies narrative again), his own state army is the only army in the world to include avowed neo nazi troupes. Yes following the ex Yugoslavia war (anyone remember that? Yeah thought not but it was actual genocide) all these little fascists sprung up across eastern Europe and zelenskiy for one was very fucking happy to harness them while consolidating his oligarch wealth. And now he's apparently the only person who can save us from Russia. While Russia has bought every new housing development in the city of London since 2000. It is all bullshit.