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M&S Christmas ad

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Green777 · 02/11/2023 09:08

M&S now deleted Christmas ad has been heavily criticised for burning hats in the colour of the Palestine flag and for the reflection of a blue and white flame burning in the eye of a smirking Sophie Ellis-Baxter.

Lots of people are boycotting M&S for the ‘dark and twisted’ post supposedly celebrating the genocide of Palestine even though M&S say it was filmed before the 7th October attack from Hamas, pointing out the founder of M&S as being a Zionist.

It does seem to be very much a coincidence?

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graciousmouse · 03/11/2023 10:30

By the same terms, the Greta Thunberg / octopus debacle was equally ridiculous but it was termed "antisemitic" due to the use of the Octopus plushie supposedly being an antisemitic trope. I am not saying there are not historical incidences of Octopus / anti semitic propaganda but to claim the plushie is such is patently a stretch. (Let's not forget she also has a Jewish person in the pic!).

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmcgowan/2023/10/25/greta-thunbergs-stand-with-gaza-is-a-problem-for-the-climate-change-movement/

(The article linked is just a reminder of the Octopus and what happened rather than the main point.)

It works both ways!

Greta Thunberg’s Stand With Gaza Is A Problem For The Climate Change Movement

Greta Thunberg posted a picture in support of the Palestinian people in Gaza. The controversy could reduce her influence and harm the climate change movement.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmcgowan/2023/10/25/greta-thunbergs-stand-with-gaza-is-a-problem-for-the-climate-change-movement

Wwwnothingdotcom · 03/11/2023 10:25

Hilariously Tiktok is also partially owned by jewish led companies....

AgingDisgracefullyHere · 03/11/2023 10:21

I subjected myself to a bit of tiktok... Most people are smart enough to just say "these people" or "Zionists" but some are less filtered

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Wwwnothingdotcom · 03/11/2023 10:04

AgingDisgracefullyHere · 03/11/2023 09:50

I googled "boycott M&S palestine" to see what was being said about it.

I thought I'd screenshot a snippet of a history of M&S on a UK communist website.

Commies commying I see😶

Poudretteite · 03/11/2023 09:51

Of course it’s all a conspiracy theory because Jews control the media…

the antisemitism on this site and the UK in general is absolutely disgusting.

AgingDisgracefullyHere · 03/11/2023 09:50

I googled "boycott M&S palestine" to see what was being said about it.

I thought I'd screenshot a snippet of a history of M&S on a UK communist website.

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Wwwnothingdotcom · 03/11/2023 09:27

We have blue and white Christmas lights for windows🙄 Going to get a brick through it this year are we.
People are fucking ridiculous sometimes

SharonEllis · 03/11/2023 09:01

SirVixofVixHall · 03/11/2023 08:51

Many flags have this colour combination, mine does. I wonder if M&S had not had Jewish founders, whether there would be the same rush to assume deliberate offence ?

Of course not. I know someone who works for a Jewish organisation. A few years ago we were talking about sponsorship and I asked about M&S. She said that as M&S has Jewish roots they steer well clear of any sort of association with any Jewish causes because, even outside flashpoints points like the current crisis, the embedded antisemitism in society means that M&S is constantly dealing with the risk of antisemitism to their business.

SirVixofVixHall · 03/11/2023 08:51

Dulra · 03/11/2023 08:07

I was reading news articles in Ireland yesterday criticising the ad because they were burning the Irish tricolour so it looks like M&S are unintentionally offending a lot of people!
Ads been pulled anyway hopefully they can relaunch with offending piece taken out it was a clever ad and probably cost a fortune

Many flags have this colour combination, mine does. I wonder if M&S had not had Jewish founders, whether there would be the same rush to assume deliberate offence ?

SomeCatFromJapan · 03/11/2023 08:49

Even if it were filmed months before there’s no way it should have been aired, for the use of colours is significant and was bound to cause upset due to being coincidentally showing the burning of the colours of Palestine with the glint of blue and white burning in the actress’ eye.

I'm.starting to understand why all the insane anti-Semitic theories have such traction if this is the level of gullibility and paranoia in evidence.

SirVixofVixHall · 03/11/2023 08:44

SharonEllis · 02/11/2023 09:16

Absolute nonsense. The palestinian flag is red, green, white & black. The hats are christmas colours red, green & silver. The blue eye shadow conspiracy theory is too nonsensical to even discuss.

This is very clear antisemitism because M&S started as a Jewish company.

It does reveal the conspiracist frame of mind of many people though.

I agree with this. I read some of the comments on Instagram, just bizarre!

Droppit · 03/11/2023 08:37

Jeez they're just Christmas hats in typical colours in an ad. Why must everything be overanalyzed?

Maybe it would be best if we don't celebrate Christmas at all because it's bound to show an allegiance to one side 🙄

Dulra · 03/11/2023 08:07

I was reading news articles in Ireland yesterday criticising the ad because they were burning the Irish tricolour so it looks like M&S are unintentionally offending a lot of people!
Ads been pulled anyway hopefully they can relaunch with offending piece taken out it was a clever ad and probably cost a fortune

OhHelloTheres · 03/11/2023 07:53

@Green777
So when you think of Christmas, what are the top five colours you'd think of?

SharonEllis · 03/11/2023 07:50

RedPinkPhoneThing · 03/11/2023 07:45

I am still trying to come to terms with the perverted atrocities Hamas committed but I'm struggling. They killed a baby by baking the baby in an oven letting the baby die a prolonged painful death. A part of the world's humanity died when this happened. Please don't equate what Israel is doing with the barbaric actions of Hamas, it only betrays your levels of ignorance. But then this thread was never posted in good faith, was it? You are trying to stir up division and hate. You are part of the problem and continuation of the circle of violence, not part of a constructive peace process.

I agree with this. It was obviously a shit-stirring post. But I guess at least these folks seeing 'coincidence' everywhere will be busy now organising demos for the 1.7 million Afghans being deported from Pakistan back to the hands if the Taliban......
Oh, wait.....

RedPinkPhoneThing · 03/11/2023 07:45

I am still trying to come to terms with the perverted atrocities Hamas committed but I'm struggling. They killed a baby by baking the baby in an oven letting the baby die a prolonged painful death. A part of the world's humanity died when this happened. Please don't equate what Israel is doing with the barbaric actions of Hamas, it only betrays your levels of ignorance. But then this thread was never posted in good faith, was it? You are trying to stir up division and hate. You are part of the problem and continuation of the circle of violence, not part of a constructive peace process.

Oliotya · 03/11/2023 07:43

Deliberate or not, it shouldn't have been aired. In very poor taste. The colours and symbolism aren't exactly subtle, and I can't quite believe nobody picked up on it before.

Green777 · 03/11/2023 07:27

@RedPinkPhoneThing

Before Hamas’ sadistic attack but not before many attacks on the people of Palestine.

Since then, there’s been another sadistic attack on a much much larger scale but I doubt you’re too concerned about that one.

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Green777 · 03/11/2023 07:25

The ad is in terrible taste.

Even if it were filmed months before there’s no way it should have been aired, for the use of colours is significant and was bound to cause upset due to being coincidentally showing the burning of the colours of Palestine with the glint of blue and white burning in the actress’ eye.

Lots are saying people falling over themselves to be offended by the supposed subliminal message, to me it seems the opposite.

People are falling over themselves to not see how this may offend those who are in solidarity with the civilians in Palestine, most of the commenters here are clearly not.

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RedPinkPhoneThing · 03/11/2023 07:18

People are mad and love to feel outraged. This ad was produced well before Hamas' disgusting inhumane sadistic attack on Israel so has nothing to do with the Middle East.

OhHelloTheres · 03/11/2023 07:00

SparkleFromWithin · 03/11/2023 00:53

Conspiracy theories?? Nutters? Anti semitism??

Have you SEEN the state of Gaza lately?

It's burning, and it can be seen burning from the sky.

This ad was at its very best in extremely poor taste and tone deaf. By a bunch of washed up has-beens that nobody can barely recognise.

And for the record, people are not boycotting M&S or protesting outside M&S because it's Jewish.

They're doing it because M&S sells millions of pounds worth of Israeli goods. Goods that bring them profits so they can buy phosphorus white gas and give Palestinian babies 4th degree burns and blind them for life. Oh I'm sorry, has the bbc not been telling you about these illegal acts of Israel ? Try following a Gaza journalist on social media to get first hand news maybe then and opening your minds just a little bit beyond mainstream media ?

So People boycott these 'Jewish' stores because they can't do anything else beyond helplessly watch babies being butchered, hear about Gazan mothers having c sections without aneasthetic, and seeing in horror as fathers carry their babies remains in carrier bags. Boycotting is the little bit of power they can take back from these animals who are hell bent on annihilating an entire nation.

Just remember all this when sniggering at nutter conspiracy theorists will you.

But obviously this being mumsnet you all have to defend m&s because it's the only way you can prove how* middle class* you all are - even if that means turning a blind eye to blatant genocide and ethnic cleansing.

The ad is not in bad taste, people are actively reading things into it that aren't there.

No one is denying what's happening in Gaza. We're denying this ad has anything to do with it.

It's paranoia.

Smurfmurf · 03/11/2023 06:34

Waitrose is quite entertaining.

StarbucksSmarterSister · 03/11/2023 02:10

This ad was at its very best in extremely poor taste and tone deaf.

The ad has absolutely nothing to do with the current conflict and therefore cannot be either of those things.

StarbucksSmarterSister · 03/11/2023 02:04

It's bloody ridiculous. People are insane.
One lot are bitching because there aren't enough white people in it and they are burning Christmas cards

Another lot are complaining about the colour of the paper hats. It took me ages to work out why people were complaining. As someone pointed out it's not the only flag in those colours.

Next people will be criticising the use of the word Christmas because it has some of the same letters as Hamas.

Oh they already are! It's insanity.

SparkleFromWithin · 03/11/2023 00:53

Conspiracy theories?? Nutters? Anti semitism??

Have you SEEN the state of Gaza lately?

It's burning, and it can be seen burning from the sky.

This ad was at its very best in extremely poor taste and tone deaf. By a bunch of washed up has-beens that nobody can barely recognise.

And for the record, people are not boycotting M&S or protesting outside M&S because it's Jewish.

They're doing it because M&S sells millions of pounds worth of Israeli goods. Goods that bring them profits so they can buy phosphorus white gas and give Palestinian babies 4th degree burns and blind them for life. Oh I'm sorry, has the bbc not been telling you about these illegal acts of Israel ? Try following a Gaza journalist on social media to get first hand news maybe then and opening your minds just a little bit beyond mainstream media ?

So People boycott these 'Jewish' stores because they can't do anything else beyond helplessly watch babies being butchered, hear about Gazan mothers having c sections without aneasthetic, and seeing in horror as fathers carry their babies remains in carrier bags. Boycotting is the little bit of power they can take back from these animals who are hell bent on annihilating an entire nation.

Just remember all this when sniggering at nutter conspiracy theorists will you.

But obviously this being mumsnet you all have to defend m&s because it's the only way you can prove how* middle class* you all are - even if that means turning a blind eye to blatant genocide and ethnic cleansing.

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