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Silence1 · 04/11/2023 12:17

Stomacharmeleon · 02/11/2023 18:43

@OhHelloTheres I think some things are so unfathomable that people almost demand evidence visually. Because we cannot imagine such a thing.

and @OhHelloTheres
Such hypocrisy when you are constantly calling for everything to be verified;
that all information coming out of Gaza is from Hamas and therefore questionable.
This is one story actually confirmed not to be verified by either IDF or the JC but you want us to just except it.
I wondered why anyone would want to embellish (edited to add it doesn't need to be it's bad enough) what happened on the 7th October by putting out this story in the Daily Mail and the only conclusion I can come to is it is an effort to refocus the public's attention on the pain Israel suffered in order to justify the killing of Gaza civilians.
The really sad thing is a Palestine baby was killed many years ago in an actual bakery by being put in an oven.

Reallifelurker · 04/11/2023 12:13

It is whataboutism with your response in the context of people showing empathy for the horrific things on that particular website. They were only at the point you posting about the pogrom website. Therefore you lacked empathy and decided to post a whatabout.

I get you don't understand this. That is why I tried to explain it to you. If you still don't understand then I am afraid you never are going too. However I hope you will at least try to think on it. Posting out of whatabout responses when the context is wrong doesn't help the Gazens you are trying to support. It just makes people think the people that support Gazens are all lacking empathy or comparison for Jewish and Arab deaths and suffering in Israel. Plus posts like that imply a lack of empathy for the emotions of the Jewish relatives/friends of victims in Israel and around the world

Basically it just isn't a good look and won't help Gazens

You’re overthinking this

Trulywonderful · 04/11/2023 11:51

Reallifelurker · 04/11/2023 11:05

I believe what the poster means is that the website is about victims of the pogrom and how they suffered

Yes, but what did they mean by “real pain”?

Then you seem to jump in and do the what about the Gazans thing

Well there is a humanitarian crisis in Gaza at the moment. Accusing everyone who mentions it of whataboutary is in poor taste quite frankly. No-one is going to stop talking about that any more than they’re going to stop talking about Oct 7.

However in this case it comes across as lacking empathy for others and trying to point score.

I’m getting a bit bored of this point scoring bollocks to be honest.

Basically in this case your post was a very poor response to something that wasn't anything to do with what has happened next or even before the pogrom.

That doesn’t even make any sense.

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It is whataboutism with your response in the context of people showing empathy for the horrific things on that particular website. They were only at the point you posting about the pogrom website. Therefore you lacked empathy and decided to post a whatabout.

I get you don't understand this. That is why I tried to explain it to you. If you still don't understand then I am afraid you never are going too. However I hope you will at least try to think on it. Posting out of whatabout responses when the context is wrong doesn't help the Gazens you are trying to support. It just makes people think the people that support Gazens are all lacking empathy or comparison for Jewish and Arab deaths and suffering in Israel. Plus posts like that imply a lack of empathy for the emotions of the Jewish relatives/friends of victims in Israel and around the world

Basically it just isn't a good look and won't help Gazens

EasternStandard · 04/11/2023 11:35

Reallifelurker · 04/11/2023 11:33

I wasn’t going to return to this as find these threads too much at times but since you’ve asked in a couple of posts no it wasn’t about any one not on that site not suffering real pain

The people documented did suffer a huge amount, and people reading that find it hard too, including people on here

Thats fair but it really wasn’t clear what you meant. Empathy aside it’s difficult to infer much when all you’ve got is words on a screen.

Ok no problem I didn’t mean it to be ambiguous but glad now I cleared it up

Reallifelurker · 04/11/2023 11:33

I wasn’t going to return to this as find these threads too much at times but since you’ve asked in a couple of posts no it wasn’t about any one not on that site not suffering real pain

The people documented did suffer a huge amount, and people reading that find it hard too, including people on here

Thats fair but it really wasn’t clear what you meant. Empathy aside it’s difficult to infer much when all you’ve got is words on a screen.

EasternStandard · 04/11/2023 11:26

Reallifelurker · 04/11/2023 01:03

You’re responding to real pain on that site with this

Could you explain why Palestinian suffering doesn’t count as real pain?

I wasn’t going to return to this as find these threads too much at times but since you’ve asked in a couple of posts no it wasn’t about any one not on that site not suffering real pain

The people documented did suffer a huge amount, and people reading that find it hard too, including people on here

quantumbutterfly · 04/11/2023 11:16

BethDuttonsTwin · 01/11/2023 23:26

Indeed. And I would suggest pretending none of this is the case surely falls under the remit of “wilfully dense” doesn’t it?

I was thinking more 'unhinged'.

Reallifelurker · 04/11/2023 11:05

I believe what the poster means is that the website is about victims of the pogrom and how they suffered

Yes, but what did they mean by “real pain”?

Then you seem to jump in and do the what about the Gazans thing

Well there is a humanitarian crisis in Gaza at the moment. Accusing everyone who mentions it of whataboutary is in poor taste quite frankly. No-one is going to stop talking about that any more than they’re going to stop talking about Oct 7.

However in this case it comes across as lacking empathy for others and trying to point score.

I’m getting a bit bored of this point scoring bollocks to be honest.

Basically in this case your post was a very poor response to something that wasn't anything to do with what has happened next or even before the pogrom.

That doesn’t even make any sense.

Trulywonderful · 04/11/2023 10:23

Reallifelurker · 04/11/2023 01:03

You’re responding to real pain on that site with this

Could you explain why Palestinian suffering doesn’t count as real pain?

I believe what the poster means is that the website is about victims of the pogrom and how they suffered.

Then you seem to jump in and do the what about the Gazans thing. Which in a lot of conversations or debates is valid. However in this case it comes across as lacking empathy for others and trying to point score. Basically in this case your post was a very poor response to something that wasn't anything to do with what has happened next or even before the pogrom.

Stomacharmeleon · 04/11/2023 10:22

@Reallifelurker no one has said that though. It's like your deliberately looking for an argument. It's a site specifically talking about people massacred on that day. If you would like to draw attention to a similar one?

Reallifelurker · 04/11/2023 01:03

You’re responding to real pain on that site with this

Could you explain why Palestinian suffering doesn’t count as real pain?

Trulywonderful · 02/11/2023 22:24

EasternStandard · 02/11/2023 22:14

You’re responding to real pain on that site with this

Apparently has problems showing empathy for everyone but Gazans

I am hoping they won't have to go to a neighbours funeral anytime soon.

Imagining the vicar/Imran/whatever saying how sad it was that Nelly has passed away and under such dreadful substances.

Then suddenly a voice is heard "but what about the Palestinians, more of them died you know".

EasternStandard · 02/11/2023 22:14

ssd · 02/11/2023 21:48

Christ the internet isnt big enough to show pictures of every person murdered or injured in Gaza

You’re responding to real pain on that site with this

Trulywonderful · 02/11/2023 22:13

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Trulywonderful · 02/11/2023 22:08

ssd · 02/11/2023 21:48

Christ the internet isnt big enough to show pictures of every person murdered or injured in Gaza

Pretty sure it is🙄

I suggest an IT course

Plus seriously you do the Gazans no good try to one up other deaths

ssd · 02/11/2023 21:48

Christ the internet isnt big enough to show pictures of every person murdered or injured in Gaza

Stomacharmeleon · 02/11/2023 21:41

@Trulywonderful it's just awful that they feel they have to do that.

Trulywonderful · 02/11/2023 21:31

Israel have now made a website to show some of the things that have happened. I won't look at it because I can't bare too.

The thing is the Hamas apologies will call everything fake or say but whatabout

And those with extremists views that like to see Jewish suffer will enjoy seeing those photos and video clips. Probably get off on it

I really wish Israel hadn't made the website

Stomacharmeleon · 02/11/2023 20:08

Hezbollah are firing multiple rockets into Israel at the Moment largely into evacuated Israeli towns.
It will be interesting what the Ayatollah says tomorrow.

EasternStandard · 02/11/2023 19:32

Stomacharmeleon · 02/11/2023 19:30

There were many unspeakable acts on October 7th which many journalists had the misfortune to be privy too.

It must have been destroying

On one hand you had SM deniers but also the horror of it

I’m not close to it and it’s on my mind as the most depraved acts I’ve heard

Stomacharmeleon · 02/11/2023 19:30

There were many unspeakable acts on October 7th which many journalists had the misfortune to be privy too.

Parkingt111 · 02/11/2023 19:15

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OhHelloTheres · 02/11/2023 18:54

Stomacharmeleon · 02/11/2023 18:43

@OhHelloTheres I think some things are so unfathomable that people almost demand evidence visually. Because we cannot imagine such a thing.

I know. I get it. I'm just wondering if they'll believe it if Israel confirms it as so far, people don't seem to believe anything Israel says. There can be irrefutable evidence in the form of Hamas' own videos but if IDF post it they say it's fake 🤦🏻‍♀️

Poudretteite · 02/11/2023 18:47

I really hope it's not true, because it was so upsetting to hear the testimony. But Hamas has done equally unspeakable things that they have celebrated - which I confused this incident with - so it's not a consolation.

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Stomacharmeleon · 02/11/2023 18:43

@OhHelloTheres I think some things are so unfathomable that people almost demand evidence visually. Because we cannot imagine such a thing.