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Gummybear23 · 01/11/2023 22:22

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Israel a powerhouse?

Only with the help of US and UK.

US won't be strong when China whips it backside and UK.is getting weaker by the minute. Let Scotland get its independence.

Who will Israel go to then?
Acting like they are Europeans in the middle east.

PurpleOrchid42 · 01/11/2023 22:22

It is abundantly obvious at this point that Isreal have become the monster. And in that way, Hamas have won. It is absolutely shockingly sad that the nation of Israel, founded after the holocaust, should now be the perpetrator of such a terrible act. 50% of the population of Gaza are children. WHAT ARE THEY THINKING?????

Coyoacan · 01/11/2023 22:21

FOJN · 31/10/2023 21:54

I agree. Bolivia doesn't have a great human rights record, if they are so appalled they are willing to cut diplomatic ties then it probably means you're doing something really bad.

What's our excuse? Sunak is fucking spineless. Someone should tell him the Palestinians don't have time for subtle diplomacy, they need help right now.

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Sorry FOJN, but Bolivia is a democracy with a very popular government. It has suffered a number of coups in the past but it's doing well now.

BethDuttonsTwin · 01/11/2023 22:19

www.amnesty.org/en/location/americas/south-america/bolivia/report-bolivia/

Bolivia 🤔

Gummybear23 · 01/11/2023 22:15

PurpleChrayne · 01/11/2023 18:33

I honestly don't care what you think.

I'm not ashamed.

I won't apologise for being a big fat fucking Zionist.

Israel current actions are leaving a terrible legacy for its citizens.

It is creating a life of fear where ever the go.
How is that a victory?

Bolivia may be a small country but it is often the small voices which are the most powerful.

What is Israel without the support of the US and UK?

And the UK is not the powerhouse it likes to think it is and Will be a weaker nation furtherdown the line when Scotland gets independence.

Gummybear23 · 01/11/2023 22:09

flufferknutter · 31/10/2023 20:30

Sunak is a spineless scumbag. Playing at being PM because he's bored with all the money he has. A little hobby for him.....until shit gets serious then he has to hide behind Biden's skirts.

And that useless Starmer is no better. He doesn't know what time of day it is. Stupid, dithering charlie.

100%

I wrote to MPs ,councillors etc asking them to call for cease fore and stop the killings.
Got a pathetic response back Israel has the right.

So replied telling them
To hang their heads in shame as they are supporting a genocide no matter how they dress it up.

Tossers that they are.
Green party have called for a ceasefire.

I really respect that. I know it does not mean anything will stop but at least it shows someone has some humanity.

HeidiInTheBigCity · 01/11/2023 21:38

grottyb · 01/11/2023 21:11

Then you SHOULD HAVE asked, and: I am sorry if I misunderstood you!

err @HeidiInTheBigCity I did ask…🤔

Okay ... we appear to be having a "heated topic, consent rare" moment here!

What I now believe you meant: "but what about domestic policy?"
What I meant: "you were in the right ["you should have" - not as in "but you failed to" but as in "you did and I agree that you should have"]

I meant to apologise on the grounds that I may have misunderstood you.

Anyway, I will stand by "Rishi needs to go - and I excpect better on both foreign and domestic policy!"

grottyb · 01/11/2023 21:11

Then you SHOULD HAVE asked, and: I am sorry if I misunderstood you!

err @HeidiInTheBigCity I did ask…🤔

ChickHenLittle · 01/11/2023 19:54

PurpleChrayne · 01/11/2023 18:33

I honestly don't care what you think.

I'm not ashamed.

I won't apologise for being a big fat fucking Zionist.

Yes, I can imagine your ranting and raving if anyone described Israel as you described Bolivia. Luckily no-one else is quite as childish or xenophobic.
I don't understand the need for silly posts that, to be blunt, are just making an arse of yourself.
It gets you some attention, sure, so maybe that feels good, I guess. However there are many posters with differing views who make interesting points and can make a good and insightful debate. They tend to get more engagement without coming across like a child.

HeidiInTheBigCity · 01/11/2023 19:34

Then you SHOULD HAVE asked, and: I am sorry if I misunderstood you!

Because, really, we both, we ALL deserve better - both on domestic AND on foreign policy!

FOJN · 01/11/2023 19:34

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grottyb · 01/11/2023 19:25

@HeidiInTheBigCity

But then, I would have long expected my government to display the same committment to humanity here, at home!

Thats why I asked

SomeCatFromJapan · 01/11/2023 19:04

*I don’t believe Israel can eradicate Hamas in the way it’s attempting to do. When I see innocent children left without a single member of their family alive, I think Israel is creating the Hamas of tomorrow. This will never lead to peace and security for Israelis or Palestinians.
Hamas can surrender, yes. Will that stop Israel from ever killing innocent Palestinians again? *

These are all good points and I don't necessarily disagree with any of them. Mostly it feels like an impossible situation at present. No easy answers, huge polarisation and people caught up in the middle of it all suffering and dying.

Reallifelurker · 01/11/2023 18:59

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HeidiInTheBigCity · 01/11/2023 18:54

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You know "pisher of a nation" actually sounds ... really racist!

Also: Israel's claim to being a "democracy" is, quite frankly, somewhat tenuous - at best - when it exerts control, with an iron fist, not only over the Palestinians of Gaza and the West Bank but also, and most blatantly: the Palestinian population of East Jerusalem, who were not afforded rights of citizenship when the state of Israel moved to "annex" (not internationally recognised!) only the territory but without affording the people who lived and still live there the rights of citizens! When these exact people are currently being threatened with expulsion to ... good question, seeing as they were born there! ... for "this WhatsApp message sounds disloyal".

None of "you get to vote for your favourite flavour of ethno-nationalist - so long as you are the right kind of person (or grandfathered in, because we only had the much better idea later)" sounds particularly "democratic".

juju99 · 01/11/2023 18:42

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Such a powerhouse that they couldn’t stop/prevent the horrific events of October 7th, despite all their military might and intelligence.

And, btw, I doubt any of us believed for a second that Israel would care about the step Bolivia has taken. Rather, it is hoped that this will lead to other countries doing the same.

SparkleFromWithin · 01/11/2023 18:35

@PurpleChrayne of course you won't, and you're not the only one. The masks are falling and the true ugly face of Zionism is becoming clear for the world to see.

PurpleChrayne · 01/11/2023 18:33

Zygoma · 31/10/2023 21:41

You are showing your true self here. Mocking both a small nation and the murder of innocent refugees. You should be ashamed. Especially as someone who goes round reporting threads and accusing posters of all sorts. It is really not a good look.

I honestly don't care what you think.

I'm not ashamed.

I won't apologise for being a big fat fucking Zionist.

PurpleChrayne · 01/11/2023 18:32

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juju99 · 01/11/2023 18:31

SomeCatFromJapan · 01/11/2023 18:14

Because telling Netanyahu ‘I want you to win’ means you accept that thousands of innocent people will die and that that isn’t a problem for you; it means you’re the kind of human being that can still sleep at night despite everything we are seeing on our screens

And if Hamas win, Israel is wiped out.
Believe me I don't like any of this bloodshed in the slightest but Hamas could surrender right now and end this.

I don’t believe Israel can eradicate Hamas in the way it’s attempting to do. When I see innocent children left without a single member of their family alive, I think Israel is creating the Hamas of tomorrow. This will never lead to peace and security for Israelis or Palestinians.
Hamas can surrender, yes. Will that stop Israel from ever killing innocent Palestinians again?

tunainatin · 01/11/2023 18:26

TakeMe2Insanity · 01/11/2023 18:11

Very well said. I also agree as a muslim. Just the response to Ukraine v whats happening in Gaza is just astounding.

100% agree. I suspect it's easier for many people to watch mothers weeping over their dead children when they're wearing headscarves 😥

HeidiInTheBigCity · 01/11/2023 18:23

grottyb · 01/11/2023 18:02

We deserve leadership with a functioning moral compass!

What does that actually look like?

Generally speaking: I personally expect my leaders to display a "working level" of humanity.

Yes, that includes "not essentially - pretending to speak in my name - giving a carte blanche to foreign leaders whose far-right, racist, ethno-nationalist mission statements are well known" - among other things!

I would expect my PM to call for a ceasefire at this point! Look, if Colombia (you know - the people recently in a war with FARC) does a better job than you, you may sort of be doing this wrong!

I would expect my PM to condemn the atrocities that were committed against Israeli civilians - but I would also expect them to take the "but if you target civilians, that actually happens to be a war crime" angle, rather than the "I hope you win" one towards a state whose government continues to descend into darker, more apocalyptic rhethoric - and not only since 7/10.

But then, I would have long expected my government to display the same committment to humanity here, at home! It is SHAMEFUL that we have people relying on food banks in the UK!

It is shameful that, as a British expat (that is a nice word for "immigrant, but from a nice country, with a professional job"), I actually find myself wanting to apologise for having told people their health care system was "anti-human" - when not only has the NHS been hollowed out almost beyond recognition, but also: there is that small situation where maybe my supposed PM - a.k.a. "billionnaire boy" - seems to be perfectly okay with patients in Gaza undergoing emergency surgery without anaestesia.

Finally, I would expect my government to be a bit more savvy than to fall hook, line, and sinker, for the false dichotomy that is "well, it is either Hamas or your consent to genocide"!

I am NOT a political strategist - but I AM a tech industry professional. So, consider these some of my "functional requirements"!

juju99 · 01/11/2023 18:22

Simplesimonsdog · 01/11/2023 18:17

@juju99 Not really. Most of social media seems to be slating Israel.
Sadly the fact that fundamentalist Islamic groups seem to be quite happy killing both innocent Muslims and non Muslims indiscriminately all over the world I think many folk have become desensitised to it. Ukraine v Russia is something very close to home and which had (has ?) the potential to turn into a third world war.

I was referring to our leaders. I should have made that clearer.

Simplesimonsdog · 01/11/2023 18:17

@juju99 Not really. Most of social media seems to be slating Israel.
Sadly the fact that fundamentalist Islamic groups seem to be quite happy killing both innocent Muslims and non Muslims indiscriminately all over the world I think many folk have become desensitised to it. Ukraine v Russia is something very close to home and which had (has ?) the potential to turn into a third world war.

TakeMe2Insanity · 01/11/2023 18:16

EasterIssland · 01/11/2023 17:47

My problem to it is what does the word win mean. What does the future look like for the people from Gaza after Israel wins

@EasterIssland well the obliteration of all Palestinians from the face of that region. Aside from whats happening in Gaza, settlers have been attacking and killing Palestinians without rebuke, similar things have been happening in Jerusalem/ Al Quds.

The Palestinians have long been saying Israel wants them to go to the Mount Sinai desert, that been leaked by an Israeli newspaper this week. Palestinians know of they go to the desert they’ll be stuck there forever.

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