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Ohlalalalala · 31/10/2023 18:37

Refugee camps are supposed to be safe havens for refugees.

Can't edit the title. Meant to say Israel confirms bombing the refugee camp.

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NotSuchASmugMarried · 31/10/2023 21:15

Parkingt111 · 31/10/2023 21:10

What about bakeries
And hospitals
And journalists
And families of journalists
And so on and so forth
You get the gist

I don't understand your question

Queucumber · 31/10/2023 21:14

Is there independent evidence to back up the claims?Anecdotal and other evidence does suggest that Hamas and other factions have used civilian objects including hospitals and schools. Guardian journalists in 2014 encountered armed men inside one hospital, and sightings of senior Hamas leaders inside the Shifa hospital have been documented.
During the 2014 conflict the UN reported weapons were found inside two UN schools and there have been numerous reports of Palestinian armed factions in Gaza firing rockets and other weapons from close to protected civilian locations. It is also clear that Hamas has operated from residential buildings.
Making the issue more complicated, however, is the nature of Gaza and conflict there. As the territory consists mostly of an extremely dense urban environment, it is perhaps not surprising that Hamas operates in civilian areas.
International law also makes clear that even if an armed force is improperly using civilian objects to shield itself, its opponent is still required to protect civilians from disproportionate harm.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/30/human-shield-israel-claim-hamas-command-centre-under-hospital-palestinian-civilian-gaza-city

What is a human shield and how has Hamas been accused of using them?

Israel claims group has placed command centre under hospital and is deliberately shielding behind Palestinian civilians

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/30/human-shield-israel-claim-hamas-command-centre-under-hospital-palestinian-civilian-gaza-city

flufferknutter · 31/10/2023 21:11

ChickHenLittle · 31/10/2023 21:08

Exactly, and the immediate response of "that's antisemitic!" very much undermines the genuine issue of antisemitism.

Totally.

They must think we're stupid. Not as stupid as they're looking right now.

Thank your government! Dropped you right in it haven't they? Give it up, I think things have moved on now. Repent and earn a decent living instead.

Parkingt111 · 31/10/2023 21:10

NotSuchASmugMarried · 31/10/2023 20:56

Think about it.

There is no military advantage to bombing a refugee camp is there? What military leader would kill refugees who pose no threat to them and leave Hamas alive to continue to fight them? Would you call that good military leadership? Those rockets cost £50,000 each.

There is, however, a military advantage in bombing senior Hamas commanders and wiping out their bases.

Hamas are vile - why don't they come out into the open and fight?

What about bakeries
And hospitals
And journalists
And families of journalists
And so on and so forth
You get the gist

Israel confirms
Queucumber · 31/10/2023 21:10

In my opinion, no. The problem is that no nation state whose citizens have been targeted in a horrific terrorist attack is going to have the self restraint to sit back and do nothing because those same terrorists are using their countrymen as shields. Even Hamas knew that, which is why they deliberately took Israeli hostages.

The underground tunnels built in the Gaza Strip are to protect the Hamas "fighters" and the responsibility to protect the civilians is with the United Nations and Israel, a Hamas official told Russia Today TV.
The clip of the interview, translated into English by Middle East Media Research Institute (Memri) TV, shows Hamas official Mousa Abu Marzouk saying, "Protecting Gaza civilians is the responsibility of the United Nations (UN) and Israel."
We have built the tunnels to protect ourselves from getting targeted and killed. These are meant to protect us from the airplanes," Marzouk said, adding that they have no other options but to fight from tunnels.
Citing the Geneva Conventions, the Hamas official said, "It is the responsibility of the UN to provide them with all the services as long as they are under occupation."

CatsArePawesome · 31/10/2023 21:09

Yes- Amnesty found it’s the IDF who actually use human shields. Louder for the bigots at the back!

The Hamas beheaded babies statement was immediately recalled.

Too many genocide apologists on this forum.

Killing their friends and relatives isn’t going to make Palestinians OK with Israel. The whole ‘justification’ for this genocide is flawed on so many levels. And I think they know that.

It’s all thinly veiled bigotry.

This isn’t my first rodeo alas and I see the UK media and politicians already doubling down their efforts to support Israel, as always.

ChickHenLittle · 31/10/2023 21:08

flufferknutter · 31/10/2023 21:04

I'm really cringing for them tbh. What sort of an existence is it to be so morally and spiritually bankrupt and destroyed that they stoop so low as to defend the slaughter and the gaslighting by the Israeli army?

Exactly, and the immediate response of "that's antisemitic!" very much undermines the genuine issue of antisemitism.

FOJN · 31/10/2023 21:07

Queucumber · 31/10/2023 20:58

Hamas use the civilian population as human shields. They freely admit to using hospitals and schools as cover.

And yet a 2009 Amnesty report was unable to find evidence of this but did find evidence of the IDF using Palestinians as human shields against Hamas. The Israeli Supreme Court ruled it unlawful but testimony of former IDF soldiers suggests it still goes on.

flufferknutter · 31/10/2023 21:04

ChickHenLittle · 31/10/2023 21:02

This.

The desperate accusations make it quite obvious how difficult it is getting to defend what the IDF are doing.

I have a feeling that this time, they're not getting away with it. Finally. The world sees what is happening and it (majority, at least) isn't behind the Israeli government.

I'm really cringing for them tbh. What sort of an existence is it to be so morally and spiritually bankrupt and destroyed that they stoop so low as to defend the slaughter and the gaslighting by the Israeli army?

Ohlalalalala · 31/10/2023 21:04

Put the word "israel" in the title and the hasbara bots come running. Wow...

Justifying bombing babies. Justifying murdering countless innocent civilians. What next I wonder?

Israel, The only Democracy in the ME 😂

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FOJN · 31/10/2023 21:04

WeightWhat · 31/10/2023 20:54

There is so much anti-semitism everywhere it is crazy.

‘THEY’ do care. They need Hamas over so no more beheaded babies. No one thinks that won’t come at a high cost. But surely you direct your anger towards Hamas?

It's criticism of the Israeli government.

If you actually cared about anti-Semitism you wouldn't apply it so liberally to comments you simply don't like and in the process render the term meaningless.

Weddingpuzzle · 31/10/2023 21:03

There are approximately 25,000 members of Hamas (I looked and checked their membership & my work colleague is a ME Senior Research Fellow and is a trusted source who said he'd broadly agree with that figure). Are you telling me that on the very last killing of the 25,000th Hamas fighters Israel would immediately withdraw and stop their military campaign?

Pull. The. Other. One.

ChickHenLittle · 31/10/2023 21:02

flufferknutter · 31/10/2023 20:59

Oh and we're not idiots anymore thanks. We see exactly what's happening. We see you. Quite clearly in fact.

This.

The desperate accusations make it quite obvious how difficult it is getting to defend what the IDF are doing.

I have a feeling that this time, they're not getting away with it. Finally. The world sees what is happening and it (majority, at least) isn't behind the Israeli government.

flufferknutter · 31/10/2023 21:01

Queucumber · 31/10/2023 20:58

Hamas use the civilian population as human shields. They freely admit to using hospitals and schools as cover.

So we've been told.

Around 32,000 times now 🙄

Still doesn't excuse genocide. Change the record. I like a bit of Barry McGuire myself.

cestlavielife · 31/10/2023 21:00

Queucumber · 31/10/2023 20:58

Hamas use the civilian population as human shields. They freely admit to using hospitals and schools as cover.

Does that make it ok to bomb all those civilians?

flufferknutter · 31/10/2023 20:59

Oh and we're not idiots anymore thanks. We see exactly what's happening. We see you. Quite clearly in fact.

Huwipulotu · 31/10/2023 20:59

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Queucumber · 31/10/2023 20:58

Hamas use the civilian population as human shields. They freely admit to using hospitals and schools as cover.

NmeChngeFail · 31/10/2023 20:57

WeightWhat · 31/10/2023 20:54

There is so much anti-semitism everywhere it is crazy.

‘THEY’ do care. They need Hamas over so no more beheaded babies. No one thinks that won’t come at a high cost. But surely you direct your anger towards Hamas?

Hamas didn't behead babies, also the anger lies solely at the feet of the IDF they were doing this shit pre- Hamas.
And I can't even dignity the fake Antisemitism claim with a response. You really are watering down true Antisemitism.

Horrificallyuntidy · 31/10/2023 20:56

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AgaMM · 31/10/2023 20:56

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Are you actually justifying what Israel did?

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Wow, he has a GPS tag does he? Israel knows exactly where he is? That's well organised of them. Strange that they didn't know 1000 Hamas members were heading over the border to attack civilians though.

NotSuchASmugMarried · 31/10/2023 20:56

Think about it.

There is no military advantage to bombing a refugee camp is there? What military leader would kill refugees who pose no threat to them and leave Hamas alive to continue to fight them? Would you call that good military leadership? Those rockets cost £50,000 each.

There is, however, a military advantage in bombing senior Hamas commanders and wiping out their bases.

Hamas are vile - why don't they come out into the open and fight?

NmeChngeFail · 31/10/2023 20:55

You wouldn't bomb a whole school including the children, just because the school shooter was hiding underneath it.

Why didnt they send Israeli officals in there?

They can't bomb everywhere and claim Hamas is there.

It's like Hamas killing the civilians on Oct 7th because some of them were reservist soliders.

Queucumber · 31/10/2023 20:55

A refugee camp is intended as a temporary accommodation. This refugee camp has been there since 1948. The great grandchildren of those who lost their homes in 1948 are classed as refugees though they, their parents and their parents parents have never been displaced. It’s a residential area.