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Why is Israeli bombing refugee camps in Gaza?

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elephantblock · 31/10/2023 17:42

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BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 03/11/2023 18:37

Context is irrelevant to certain people because they view certain other people as sub human. That statement can be applied to both hamas and some sections of Israelis

Totalblindnessofthesoul · 03/11/2023 18:30

@eardefender you surely can't have it both ways.

Either context matters or it doesn't. Either it matters for both of it doesn't.

If context is irrelevant:

-the Hamas terrorist attack was a vile and inexcusable act of violence which killed 1400.
-Israel has decided to slaughter 9000 people, about half of which are children, and has condemned many thousands more through starvation disease. An excusable act of violence.

If context is relevant, then and only then can you mention WHY Israel is doing what it's doing, and the fear that the country has, but equally relevant is the 70 years of oppression and violence against the Palestinian people, creating a boiling pot of anger.

Is context relevant or irrelevant? Don't you see that it makes you hugely racist to say context only matters one way.

2boys1princess · 03/11/2023 18:28

Ecdysiast · 03/11/2023 18:12

@eardefender I am anti-Israel in its current racist form. I never, ever said that I was pro-Hamas - so I don't know what you're talking about. But I do believe that if Israel has a 'right to defend itself' in any way it sees fit and at any cost, then it is not fair to tell the Palestinians, who Israel has been oppressing for 75+ years, that they have no right to resistance. Israel has been militant from its inception until today. It is one of the most militaristic societies in the world - there is nothing peaceful about it. It is sick, and I hope one day it gets the help it so badly needs.

Perfectly worded. Hopefully @eardefender will finally understand. If you are saying Israel has the right to defend itself by massacring thousands of civilians, then you have no right to say Hamas can’t do the same after 75 years of occupation and oppression. What happened on the 7th of October was terrible, but it’s happened many times to the Palestinian Arabs way before the 7th of October.
There needs to be a ceasefire and a solution needs to be found for both nations or this will continue until the Mujahideen groups in the Arab nations create a bigger problem than the 7th of October and it leads to world war 3. There are bigger problems than Hamas unfortunately and they, like any terrorist organisation don’t care about any civilians in any country.

eardefender · 03/11/2023 18:26

Ecdysiast · 03/11/2023 18:22

@eardefender are you describing Israel's so-called 'retaliation' in which the army has openly said Palestinians are "animals in human form" and "children of darkness" and murdered THOUSANDS of innocents, displacing over 1 million - as a legitimate right to self-defense?!?!?! OMG

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I don't know those quotes. I cant comment on what a couple of people may have said. If they were about hamas then we can all agree.

The death figures coming from gaza are from hamas who lie, so we really don't know how many have died.

Many of them would have been Hamas fighters, so far from innocents.

I blame Hamas for all civilian deaths in Garza because they started this war and use them as human shields.

eardefender · 03/11/2023 18:23

Ecdysiast · 03/11/2023 18:18

So what's your point @eardefender ? That Arab countries are as anti-Palestinian as you are?

I made 4 clear points above, those are my points. If you read it again it might be clearer.

Anyone who supports Hamas is not pro palestinian by the way. Look at how Hamas treat Garzans.

I am, generally speaking, pro Israel and pro Jewish though. Don't know if anyone has noticed that.

Ecdysiast · 03/11/2023 18:22

@eardefender are you describing Israel's so-called 'retaliation' in which the army has openly said Palestinians are "animals in human form" and "children of darkness" and murdered THOUSANDS of innocents, displacing over 1 million - as a legitimate right to self-defense?!?!?! OMG

eardefender · 03/11/2023 18:20

Ecdysiast · 03/11/2023 18:12

@eardefender I am anti-Israel in its current racist form. I never, ever said that I was pro-Hamas - so I don't know what you're talking about. But I do believe that if Israel has a 'right to defend itself' in any way it sees fit and at any cost, then it is not fair to tell the Palestinians, who Israel has been oppressing for 75+ years, that they have no right to resistance. Israel has been militant from its inception until today. It is one of the most militaristic societies in the world - there is nothing peaceful about it. It is sick, and I hope one day it gets the help it so badly needs.

are you describing the attacks on Israel and the hostage taking on 7th October as Hamas right to resist??????

OMG

Ecdysiast · 03/11/2023 18:18

So what's your point @eardefender ? That Arab countries are as anti-Palestinian as you are?

eardefender · 03/11/2023 18:17

2boys1princess · 03/11/2023 18:13

Just be careful what you ask for. The Arab countries have not joined the war, but if they did it wouldn’t end well for anyone in the world. Arab nations like Kuwait, Qatar and Jordan have already started imposing sanctions on Israel. Hezbollah and Houthi group from Yemen have been involved in firing rockets at Israel. Iran and Syria won’t hesitate. Turkey has called for a ceasefire and has warned Israel. The last thing we want is for the Arab nations to say enough is enough and start world war 3. The only reason they are holding back is because they are hopeful of a ceasefire as countries put pressure in Israel. World war 3 with the Arab nations wouldn’t end well for any country in the world.

honestly i am surprised at the lack of action from Arab countries. I had read that palestinians and their cause were not that popular with some Arab states. It would appear to be true from what i can see. Western countries seem to be stepping in far more to temper the Israeli response than the neighbours are.

FrippEnos · 03/11/2023 18:17

eardefender · 03/11/2023 18:14

i was responding to you post, read it back
m*n

Good to see that you have no real point to your responses.

m*n to you as well.

EasterIssland · 03/11/2023 18:14

eardefender · 03/11/2023 18:09

@EasterIssland Many think this all happen out of nothing on the 7th of October.

Thats sick. To blame innocent victims. To suggest hamas were made to hack off a Thai workers head with a garden implement. Good Grief.

im not blaming innocent victims. Can you say where have I said that ?

eardefender · 03/11/2023 18:14

FrippEnos · 03/11/2023 17:59

You do know that people are allowed to have different opinions to you?
You do know that Israel has been treating Palestinians like shit for years?
You do know that not all Palestinians are members of Hamas?
You do know that people can be against Hamas and Israel?
You do know that asking if I know what "happened on on 7th Oct" you are coming across as a, how did you word it, a "moron" and it makes it seem like you have no real argument?

i was responding to you post, read it back
m*n

2boys1princess · 03/11/2023 18:13

eardefender · 03/11/2023 18:01

I disagree. Israel is a beacon of tolerance and democracy in the middle east. that is why so many countries support them.
Do you see a flood of Arab neighbours stepping in to fight for hamas or any other Iranian backed terror group against Israel. I wonder why.
Even Hezbollah are merely sabre rattling.

Just be careful what you ask for. The Arab countries have not joined the war, but if they did it wouldn’t end well for anyone in the world. Arab nations like Kuwait, Qatar and Jordan have already started imposing sanctions on Israel. Hezbollah and Houthi group from Yemen have been involved in firing rockets at Israel. Iran and Syria won’t hesitate. Turkey has called for a ceasefire and has warned Israel. The last thing we want is for the Arab nations to say enough is enough and start world war 3. The only reason they are holding back is because they are hopeful of a ceasefire as countries put pressure in Israel. World war 3 with the Arab nations wouldn’t end well for any country in the world.

Ecdysiast · 03/11/2023 18:12

eardefender · 03/11/2023 18:05

then why are you pro hamas and anti israel?

@eardefender I am anti-Israel in its current racist form. I never, ever said that I was pro-Hamas - so I don't know what you're talking about. But I do believe that if Israel has a 'right to defend itself' in any way it sees fit and at any cost, then it is not fair to tell the Palestinians, who Israel has been oppressing for 75+ years, that they have no right to resistance. Israel has been militant from its inception until today. It is one of the most militaristic societies in the world - there is nothing peaceful about it. It is sick, and I hope one day it gets the help it so badly needs.

eardefender · 03/11/2023 18:12

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eardefender · 03/11/2023 18:09

@EasterIssland Many think this all happen out of nothing on the 7th of October.

Thats sick. To blame innocent victims. To suggest hamas were made to hack off a Thai workers head with a garden implement. Good Grief.

eardefender · 03/11/2023 18:06

Bobslug · 03/11/2023 18:04

That resignation statement from the UN guy! Try reading that and claiming that the UN is a reliable, impartial observer of this. It’s like it was written by a BLM chatbot. The majority of Israelis are not ‘European’, therefore they can’t be European colonialists. Some Palestinians are ‘indigenous’, but by no means all. Some Jews are also indigenous. There is some wild misunderstanding of the history going on.

thank you for your voice of reason and i love your username by the way

eardefender · 03/11/2023 18:05

Ecdysiast · 03/11/2023 18:02

Ah, so you DO know what Zionist camp is then, @eardefender . To be clear, I am not an anti-Semite and do not have a racist bone in my body. I believe in tolerance and coexistence. That's why I am opposed to Zionism and to Israel's actions, which are the complete opposite of my values. You can try to silence people by labelling them as anti-Semites, but I will not compromise my principles and my right to free speech out of fear of being labelled something I'm not.

then why are you pro hamas and anti israel?

Bobslug · 03/11/2023 18:04

That resignation statement from the UN guy! Try reading that and claiming that the UN is a reliable, impartial observer of this. It’s like it was written by a BLM chatbot. The majority of Israelis are not ‘European’, therefore they can’t be European colonialists. Some Palestinians are ‘indigenous’, but by no means all. Some Jews are also indigenous. There is some wild misunderstanding of the history going on.

eardefender · 03/11/2023 18:04

EasterIssland · 03/11/2023 17:59

Not sure whether to laugh or cry with your answers tbh. The whole world now is a hamas member , UN full of hamas / AI? Hamas./ ambulances ? Hamas. Your comments would be funny if it wasn’t for the fact that thousands of people are diying

those are your words not mine. You refuse to admit that hamas use civilian shields, best of luck to you.

Ecdysiast · 03/11/2023 18:02

eardefender · 03/11/2023 17:19

Again you misunderstand. I asked you what you mean by Zionist Camp. Are you simply being antisemitic. If you are just say it. Say what you really think. Have a proper discussion.

Ah, so you DO know what Zionist camp is then, @eardefender . To be clear, I am not an anti-Semite and do not have a racist bone in my body. I believe in tolerance and coexistence. That's why I am opposed to Zionism and to Israel's actions, which are the complete opposite of my values. You can try to silence people by labelling them as anti-Semites, but I will not compromise my principles and my right to free speech out of fear of being labelled something I'm not.

EasterIssland · 03/11/2023 18:02

eardefender · 03/11/2023 17:58

Because you hate jews.
Far more Arabs dying by the hand of other Muslims, not as good for Jew hating though.

If a Muslim country was doing what Israel is doing I’d criticise it
if my country , Spain, was doing this id be criticise it.
if uk was doing it , id criticise it
so no I don’t hate Jewish people. I hate the fact that a country is killing innocent people.

ps next time you do a comment like that I’ll report you to MN as personal attack. There is no proof of your comments. So change your chant

eardefender · 03/11/2023 18:01

Ecdysiast · 03/11/2023 17:56

History did not start on October 7th, @eardefender . Wake up. State terrorism is a thing. And Israel is a terrorist state.

I disagree. Israel is a beacon of tolerance and democracy in the middle east. that is why so many countries support them.
Do you see a flood of Arab neighbours stepping in to fight for hamas or any other Iranian backed terror group against Israel. I wonder why.
Even Hezbollah are merely sabre rattling.

crumblingschools · 03/11/2023 17:59

i think what Hamas did on 7th October was evil, but I can also see what the Israeli Government is doing at the moment is evil too.

FrippEnos · 03/11/2023 17:59

eardefender · 03/11/2023 17:53

I am afraid that hamas and other palestininan terrorist groups are not peaceful or innocent. Its a war, Do you know that Hamas are terrorists, do you know what happened on 7th October?????

You do know that people are allowed to have different opinions to you?
You do know that Israel has been treating Palestinians like shit for years?
You do know that not all Palestinians are members of Hamas?
You do know that people can be against Hamas and Israel?
You do know that asking if I know what "happened on on 7th Oct" you are coming across as a, how did you word it, a "moron" and it makes it seem like you have no real argument?

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