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Why is Israeli bombing refugee camps in Gaza?

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elephantblock · 31/10/2023 17:42

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Toothyfruity · 05/11/2023 17:13

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feralunderclass · 05/11/2023 17:00

ketchup07070 · 02/11/2023 23:36

@CatsArePawesome I did know a bit about this situation, but have not looked on Save the Children website about it. I think these children must be released, seen by doctors and the abuse allegations investigated. I can't imagine this treatment of children would be tolerated in most democracies, it would be seen as a violation of human rights and the rights of the child.

Unfortunately Israel make it very difficult to investigate the extent of human rights violations, particularly against children. NGOs and children's charities are often refused entry to Israel, and any evidence that is collated is confiscated/destroyed. False 'evidence' against individuals and/or organizations involved in HR reporting is often produced, with them being accused of having antisemitic intent. Israel are not going to be held accountable, and they know it 😢

Parkingt111 · 05/11/2023 16:57

EasterIssland · 05/11/2023 16:55

Keep this message @Parkingt111 because there will be Israel suppprters saying no more aid enters Gaza because Hamas is intercepting it

Yes its repeated over and over again on every single thread as its a verified fact when it's nothing more than Israeli propaganda

EasterIssland · 05/11/2023 16:55

Parkingt111 · 05/11/2023 16:48

The US have also said they have seen no indication that hamas is stealing from the aid coming in
Yet they are still now allowing in fuel needed for life saving equipment to use in the hospitals
That's only of however many functioning hospitals left that haven't been struck

Keep this message @Parkingt111 because there will be Israel suppprters saying no more aid enters Gaza because Hamas is intercepting it

Parkingt111 · 05/11/2023 16:53

Stomacharmeleon · 05/11/2023 16:43

@Toothyfruity the American special envoy said there are around 300- 350,000 in the north. Not 1.2 million.

That's still a huge number of people
And where exactly are they supposed to go
I'm sure you can see how inhumane this is regardless of your stance or who you think is to blame
The south is still being bombed too
Just not as heavily as the North

Why is Israeli bombing refugee camps in Gaza?
Toothyfruity · 05/11/2023 16:51

Stomacharmeleon · 05/11/2023 16:43

@Toothyfruity the American special envoy said there are around 300- 350,000 in the north. Not 1.2 million.

Well it depends on what you consider the north. The area they're telling to leave is roughly two thirds of the entire Gaza strip.

Parkingt111 · 05/11/2023 16:48

The US have also said they have seen no indication that hamas is stealing from the aid coming in
Yet they are still now allowing in fuel needed for life saving equipment to use in the hospitals
That's only of however many functioning hospitals left that haven't been struck

Why is Israeli bombing refugee camps in Gaza?
Stomacharmeleon · 05/11/2023 16:43

@Toothyfruity the American special envoy said there are around 300- 350,000 in the north. Not 1.2 million.

Toothyfruity · 05/11/2023 15:51

I just watched wizard_bisan1's update from Gaza City. The situation there is dire. Remember Israel hasn't allowed 1 bit of aid to enter the northern half so 1.2million people there have nothing.

She says in the last 2 days Israeli forces have been targeting water, power and food infrastructure on the ground so there is no internet now, no food (no bread for 4 days) and they are drinking sea water.

On top of this the Israelis have sent out more of their ethnic cleansing flyers, advising 1.2million people in the northern two thirds of the Gaza strip to walk on foot to Khan Younis or Rafah in the south. Clearly impossible.

This is undeniably ethnic cleansing and genocide. Even the most brainwashed among you can't deny that. It is cruel, it is murder and it is supported by the UK government.

Efacsen · 05/11/2023 14:13

The Bureij refugee camp has just been attacked again - with more fatalities and injuries

FOJN · 04/11/2023 11:26

Stomacharmeleon · 04/11/2023 10:29

@FOJN I thought the BBC's analysis of the ayatollahs speech was interesting. That he had threatened Israel but had basically said your on your own to hamas. Also at Great pains to say although they had sent rockets and tried to tie up Israeli forces, Hamas attacked on their own on October 7th without their help.

I realise that's just their analysis.

I'm the sad sack that actually listened to all 90 minutes of it!

I thought his message was that Hamas had been very clever to accomplish what they had on their own and that secrecy had been key to the "success" of their mission.

There were documents found with some of the killed Hamas terrorists which some analysts claim bear all the hall marks of Iranian involvement but that just seemed a bit off to me. My best guess is that Hamas did carry out the Oct 7th attacks alone and the documents were a false flag to make Israel think they would also end up at war with Iran and to provoke a reaction which they thought would ensure Iran became involved. I doubt we will know the truth for a very long time.

It was interesting that the BBC mentioned US military assets in the med but failed to mention Russian and Chinese assets.

Parkingt111 · 04/11/2023 11:02

Stomacharmeleon · 04/11/2023 10:29

@FOJN I thought the BBC's analysis of the ayatollahs speech was interesting. That he had threatened Israel but had basically said your on your own to hamas. Also at Great pains to say although they had sent rockets and tried to tie up Israeli forces, Hamas attacked on their own on October 7th without their help.

I realise that's just their analysis.

That's because for Iran again its just politics
I highly doubt he cares greatly about innocent palestinians but rather how it can best suit his own agenda

Parker231 · 04/11/2023 10:52

Stomacharmeleon · 04/11/2023 10:32

@Parker231 'enforces Jewish supremacy' right.....

Palestinians in annexed East Jerusalem are granted permanent residence instead of citizenship – though this status is permanent in name only. Since 1967, more than 14,000 Palestinians have had their residency revoked at the discretion of the Ministry of the Interior, resulting in their forcible transfer outside the city.

Stomacharmeleon · 04/11/2023 10:32

@Parker231 'enforces Jewish supremacy' right.....

Stomacharmeleon · 04/11/2023 10:29

@FOJN I thought the BBC's analysis of the ayatollahs speech was interesting. That he had threatened Israel but had basically said your on your own to hamas. Also at Great pains to say although they had sent rockets and tried to tie up Israeli forces, Hamas attacked on their own on October 7th without their help.

I realise that's just their analysis.

Parker231 · 04/11/2023 08:31

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FOJN · 04/11/2023 08:18

eardefender · 03/11/2023 18:01

I disagree. Israel is a beacon of tolerance and democracy in the middle east. that is why so many countries support them.
Do you see a flood of Arab neighbours stepping in to fight for hamas or any other Iranian backed terror group against Israel. I wonder why.
Even Hezbollah are merely sabre rattling.

Israel has received little support for its actions at the UN, both in the SC and GA. The only reason the SC hasn't been able to pass a ceasefire resolution is because of the US veto. Many countries are pulling diplomats and condemning Israel's actions in Gaza.

I think your interpretation of the response from Arab/Muslim nations is incorrect. At the moment some of them look like the only grown ups in the room, Jordan/Saudi/Egypt for example.They understand the implications of escalation and are hoping for a political/diplomatic resolution. Make no mistake that if they lose patience it will not end well for Israel or possibly any of us. You are mistaken if you think Israeli/Palestinian peace is the only thing at stake here.

CatsArePawesome · 04/11/2023 08:06

“Why is Israel bombing refugee camps in Gaza?”

Sept 2023: Netanyahu presented a map of what he called "The New Middle East"- without Palestine on the map at all- at the United Nations General Assembly.

The map showed the entire area as Israel: no West Bank, Gaza, or East Jerusalem. This was covered with raised eyebrows even in the mainstream press.

I cannot repeat this enough: the oil is in Gaza. The oil is in Gaza. The oil is in Gaza.

Why is Israeli bombing refugee camps in Gaza?
Stomacharmeleon · 03/11/2023 22:40

We are allowed differences of opinion though. I have been on here a long time and I recognise lots of posters I disagree with: I wouldn't deny them a voice though.

This topic will attract bots. When I googled something unrelated earlier it brought up a thread from here on israel. It is noticed.

ssd · 03/11/2023 22:29

I really wish mn could highlight if its new posters posting now.

Especially now.

EasterIssland · 03/11/2023 22:27

ssd · 03/11/2023 22:22

Another poster saying stuff we all know is blatantly untrue.

Another poster with a brand new account in MN to support Israel. There are many coming up in the last few days and many of them don’t like sticking to the forum rules

(I’m referring about the poster you’re replying to btw)

ssd · 03/11/2023 22:22

Bobslug · 03/11/2023 21:32

Gaza isn’t an ‘open prison’. It is independently governed.

Another poster saying stuff we all know is blatantly untrue.

Toothyfruity · 03/11/2023 22:22

Bobslug · 03/11/2023 18:58

I can’t believe thinks there is a moral equivalence between Hamas and Israel. Hamas deliberately target civilians. Israel target military targets, though of course they are not always successful in avoiding civilians. But there is a clear and very important difference in aims. The long history is not really relevant in deciding what is morally right. Even if Israel have opposed Palestinians for decades, NOTHING justifies deliberately targeting civilians. Once a person or group does this they have lost their humanity completely.

If you think Israel isn't deliberately targeting civilians, and journalists and UN workers then you're naive at best.

Parkingt111 · 03/11/2023 21:40

Bobslug · 03/11/2023 21:32

Gaza isn’t an ‘open prison’. It is independently governed.

With a blockade from land, air and sea