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MissyB1 · 31/10/2023 18:44

@Icefoot The western Governments know full well it’s ethnic cleansing and genocide, they know Israel are breaking all sorts of international rules. But they have their own agenda for letting them get away with it 😡

Parkingt111 · 31/10/2023 18:44

Icefoot · 31/10/2023 18:41

I have a friend who's family originates from Israel, they are Christian and she has many relatives still in Jerusalem. She says as far as Israel is concerned all non Jews are nothing, the army has been given carte blanche and there are gangs of ultra orthodox Jews beating up any non-jews. Quite apart from the horror of Gaza, Jerusalem is a dangerous place to be currently, if you're not Jewish.

I can't believe the West isn't recognising this as ethic cleansing.

The UN have been trying to speak about what is happening in the occupied West bank but Israel will just not accept it
The extreme settlers think the attack by Hamas has given them the green light to do whatever they want now
As if it wasn't bad enough before

Bigminnie1 · 31/10/2023 18:44

Icefoot · 31/10/2023 18:41

I have a friend who's family originates from Israel, they are Christian and she has many relatives still in Jerusalem. She says as far as Israel is concerned all non Jews are nothing, the army has been given carte blanche and there are gangs of ultra orthodox Jews beating up any non-jews. Quite apart from the horror of Gaza, Jerusalem is a dangerous place to be currently, if you're not Jewish.

I can't believe the West isn't recognising this as ethic cleansing.

Please do not incite hate by making things worse than they are. I am sure some Israelis are like that but so many of them are most definitely not.

Icefoot · 31/10/2023 18:41

I have a friend who's family originates from Israel, they are Christian and she has many relatives still in Jerusalem. She says as far as Israel is concerned all non Jews are nothing, the army has been given carte blanche and there are gangs of ultra orthodox Jews beating up any non-jews. Quite apart from the horror of Gaza, Jerusalem is a dangerous place to be currently, if you're not Jewish.

I can't believe the West isn't recognising this as ethic cleansing.

cestlavielife · 31/10/2023 18:39

Bbc The IDF spokesperson Daniel Hagari has confirmed that Israeli fighter jets carried out the attack on the Jabalia refugee camp in Gaza, which he said killed a senior commander and caused the collapse of Hamas's underground infrastructure.

Parkingt111 · 31/10/2023 18:39

Here

Why is Israeli bombing refugee camps in Gaza?

Parkingt111 · 31/10/2023 18:38

Murdering scum
This is state sanctioned terrorism

cestlavielife · 31/10/2023 18:38

"Whatever the truth is Hamas can end this now. They can surrender, hand over the hostages. Israel withdraws. Aid goes in. They can save their own people now, but they don't."

A one sided truce will.never work.
Hamas give up?
Israel will just continue to invade.
Israel stop? Hamas continues
Both sides have to agree humanitarian truce and pause

Cadenza12 · 31/10/2023 18:38

Except for the fact that they have no where to go.

MissyB1 · 31/10/2023 18:38

eardefender · 31/10/2023 18:11

Wait for confirmation. There is a propaganda war. Yesterday Israel reported having rescued a female IDF soldier. They also reported they found the head of Shani Louk who had been raped, paraded, spat on. This was after Hamas said she was in hospital with a head injury. This all made Hamas look awful (could they look any worse). When i saw this news it was with skepticism, hence the wait and see approach. This could easily be another stray Hamas missile.

Hamas are widely known to hide behind civilians and operate from hospitals, schools etc so this could have been a military target that Hamas sadly smother with civilians to protect it.

Hamas have also apparently been preventing civilians from leaving the northern strip after Israel repeatedly warned of air and land attacks and told them to go south 2 weeks ago. Hamas need those bodies to stay over the tunnels and around the military targets.

Whatever the truth is Hamas can end this now. They can surrender, hand over the hostages. Israel withdraws. Aid goes in. They can save their own people now, but they don't.

I don’t care where Hamas are supposedly hiding (and I take a lot of what I read about where they are with a pinch of salt). There’s no excuse for bombing for hospitals/churches/refugee camps/ residential areas. Fed up of people excusing it.
And civilians who went south as instructed have been bombed in the south. IDF must have been laughing their socks off knowing they were going to bomb them anyway 😡

crumblingschools · 31/10/2023 18:36

Israel have confirmed it was them

Desertrose2023 · 31/10/2023 18:35

I am so sick of genocide apologists saying ‘but Hamas are hiding amongst civilians’

even if I were to believe the Israelis, who have form for lying to cover for their war crimes, how does that make it ok to kill all these civilians ???!

what is the cost of a Hamas fighter ? the going rate seems to be 3500 Palestinian babies++

Ohlalalalala · 31/10/2023 18:35

What is a refugee camp?

Refugee camps are temporary facilities built to provide immediate protection and assistance to people who have been forced to flee their homes due to war, persecution or violence. While camps are not established to provide permanent solutions, they offer a safe haven for refugees and meet their most basic needs such as food, water, shelter, medical treatment and other basic services during emergencies.

https://www.unrefugees.org/refugee-facts/camps/

No safe haven from the genociders.

What is a Refugee Camp? Definition and Statistics | USA for UNHCR

A refugee camp is intended as a temporary accommodation for people who have been forced to flee their home because of violence and persecution. Refugee camps are practical during emergencies for delivering lifesaving aid, but many refugees displaced ar...

https://www.unrefugees.org/refugee-facts/camps

cestlavielife · 31/10/2023 18:34

They will kill anyone because "we warned them to leave"
Hamas atrocities were horrific
Current bombing of Gaza is horrific

BethDuttonsTwin · 31/10/2023 18:34

eardefender · 31/10/2023 18:11

Wait for confirmation. There is a propaganda war. Yesterday Israel reported having rescued a female IDF soldier. They also reported they found the head of Shani Louk who had been raped, paraded, spat on. This was after Hamas said she was in hospital with a head injury. This all made Hamas look awful (could they look any worse). When i saw this news it was with skepticism, hence the wait and see approach. This could easily be another stray Hamas missile.

Hamas are widely known to hide behind civilians and operate from hospitals, schools etc so this could have been a military target that Hamas sadly smother with civilians to protect it.

Hamas have also apparently been preventing civilians from leaving the northern strip after Israel repeatedly warned of air and land attacks and told them to go south 2 weeks ago. Hamas need those bodies to stay over the tunnels and around the military targets.

Whatever the truth is Hamas can end this now. They can surrender, hand over the hostages. Israel withdraws. Aid goes in. They can save their own people now, but they don't.

Some much needed balance and sense in this discussion.

cestlavielife · 31/10/2023 18:33

To kill hamas
https://x.com/Phyl3R/status/1719421928065192390?s=20

Never mind anyone else

https://x.com/Phyl3R/status/1719421928065192390?s=20

Lovepeaceunderstanding · 31/10/2023 18:32

user701 · 31/10/2023 17:53

because they do not want any Palestinians in Gaza anymore.

@user701 , in your opinion with which I do not agree.

Parkingt111 · 31/10/2023 18:31

And I'm sure there will be many who blindly nod and sigh with oh well what could they have done
Hamas was hiding there you see
What other choice did they have

Desertrose2023 · 31/10/2023 18:31

The genocide apologists are truly delusional

no one is buying it anymore folks.

Parkingt111 · 31/10/2023 18:30

eardefender · 31/10/2023 18:11

Wait for confirmation. There is a propaganda war. Yesterday Israel reported having rescued a female IDF soldier. They also reported they found the head of Shani Louk who had been raped, paraded, spat on. This was after Hamas said she was in hospital with a head injury. This all made Hamas look awful (could they look any worse). When i saw this news it was with skepticism, hence the wait and see approach. This could easily be another stray Hamas missile.

Hamas are widely known to hide behind civilians and operate from hospitals, schools etc so this could have been a military target that Hamas sadly smother with civilians to protect it.

Hamas have also apparently been preventing civilians from leaving the northern strip after Israel repeatedly warned of air and land attacks and told them to go south 2 weeks ago. Hamas need those bodies to stay over the tunnels and around the military targets.

Whatever the truth is Hamas can end this now. They can surrender, hand over the hostages. Israel withdraws. Aid goes in. They can save their own people now, but they don't.

The IDF have confirmed it was them
I'm sure they will find a way to justify bombing a refugee camp filled with women and children though

Icefoot · 31/10/2023 18:30

susiedaisy1912 · 31/10/2023 18:26

My understanding is the Israeli government told people to leave the refugee camp area as it wouldn't be safe to stay. They are trying to destroy Hamas tunnels which are underneath. Same with the hospital that they keep telling the Palestinians to vacate.

How do you evacuate a hospital?

Where does a refuge camp evacuate to?

susiedaisy1912 · 31/10/2023 18:30

Absolutely agree. I don't condone the violence from either side.

Parkingt111 · 31/10/2023 18:29

ProvincialLady1 · 31/10/2023 18:14

Why are you asking on here? Do you honestly think anyone on Mumsnet knows who did this or how it happened? There's so much propaganda around. I wish people would wait until we know more before pointing the finger as happened with the Gaza hospital.

The IDF have confirmed it was them

Icefoot · 31/10/2023 18:29

Namedmyself · 31/10/2023 18:06

This is nothing new. They have done it for years, the only difference is now they have the support to commit a genocide. Then you have people on here like @icewoman spreading lies when nothing waS confirmed.

There have been terrible atrocities on both sides in my view, but I think the circumstances of the bombed hospital are as confirmed as they're likely to be

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/23/gaza-hospital-blast-caused-by-militants-rocket-uk-intelligence-sunak-israel-palestine

Gaza hospital blast caused by militants’ rocket, UK agencies believe

Rishi Sunak updates MPs on intelligence services’ findings about last week’s deadly explosion

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/23/gaza-hospital-blast-caused-by-militants-rocket-uk-intelligence-sunak-israel-palestine

Parkingt111 · 31/10/2023 18:28

susiedaisy1912 · 31/10/2023 18:26

My understanding is the Israeli government told people to leave the refugee camp area as it wouldn't be safe to stay. They are trying to destroy Hamas tunnels which are underneath. Same with the hospital that they keep telling the Palestinians to vacate.

Some people have nowhere to go
Some people have ill and elderly and disabled living with them and cannot take them with them
It's a horrendous situation