Why is Israeli bombing refugee camps in Gaza?

@SomeCatFromJapan yes it's thoughts like this that allows such massacres to take place. Because the opposition has no accountability.

Some propaganda pages will go to any length to blame everything on Hamas

I kind of do blame the whole thing on Hamas, yes. That's always been my point. They commited the 7 October atrocities and they've embedded themselves in civilian infrastructure, and here we are.

Some propaganda pages will go to any length to blame everything on Hamas, which means the crimes of the IDF are just dismissed as unfortunate
This is a war and there's very few who at this stage still believe that the IDF care about the Palestinian civilians. Even those who did at the start are finally starting to realise

Yes I'm careful to caveat most of the things I relay as I've got no way of knowing for certain - none of us do.
The IDF said they shot Hamas members. Maybe they were. Maybe they were civilians. That's the point, neither of us know for sure. You post as if you don't believe Hamas exists in Gaza, almost.

You clearly said that 'apparently' it was Hamas shooting its own civilians whilst the Israelis were trying to help them evacuate.
When the scum IDF shot them and admitted to doing so

Well yes, there are currently active fire fights going on which was why there was the attempt at mass evacuation that everyone decried a couple of days ago.

@SomeCatFromJapan remember that video where you were saying that apparently it was Hamas shooting the civilians trying to leave from the North? There was clearly children visible In the road filled with shot bodies
Well the IDF have finally been questioned about it today
We're those dead kids also Hamas? Who were openly shot at whilst trying to leave?

There's currently heavy fighting around the hospital. Given that I'm pretty sure the doctors and patients aren't firing on the IDF it does rather suggest the presence of Hamas.

Hamas had 'no comment' on article although denied they had a command point underneath the hospital.

There was a member of the Israeli Government in Laura Kuensberg this morning who insisted it was Hamas attacking the hospitals 🙄 what can you do they won’t acknowledge the truth?? I bet she really wanted to call him a liar!

Would those who’ve been defending Israel in this chat now like to explain why Israel, with a history of targeting hospitals, having denied targeting the Al Ahli Arab Hospital, are now targeting the Al-Shifa Hospital? To the extent that Doctors Without Borders, an international organisation, have put out statements begging Israelis to stop shooting children?

Pre=war population of Gaza City was 700k

I’ve been wanting to write this so many times but deleted it because I thought no one would get the reference so LOOOL this gave me a good chuckle. We would be friends offline ❤️

Latest in the Guardian - 100s of thousands of people still in encircled Gaza City - so sounds like not many left

And just as a reminder there's likely thousands and thousands of white UN refugee tents stuck on some lorry in Egypt that could have been used to shelter these poor people and might have changed their view on whether it was better to stay or leave

IDK it's confusing no names were taken off Israel's list and the number didn't go down

If the bodies were in a bad way - DNA would only now be becoming available?

Plus some people cannot leave - it's a 15 mile walk to the 'safe' area, no cars any longer, only the occ donkey cart so too far for anyone frail, elderly, injured, sick or disabled

And most people will already be exhausted thirsty and hungry before setting out on this enforced journey

I thought Israel had already told the families of the hostages that they had retrieved?
When they first retrieved the bodies?

@Ecdysiast I am not doubting what you are saying but that throws up some questions doesn't it?
If that many hostages have been retrieved surely they would know by now who they are? Two weeks is a long time and the 'number' hasn't really altered at all.

It sounds from the 'report' I posted that a lot of basic admin hasn't been done yet ie

Name, DOB, ID No, Photo then alive/deceased/missing for each person

and that was one reason why Biden was suggesting a 3 day 'pause' to fill in the gaps

Israel will soon know the identity of the 25-30 dead hostages they retrieved about a fortnight ago to add to the data provided by Hamas

And of course it will be so much better for the families to know all this

Some people would choose to die in the dignity of their home
Than die homeless and humiliated in the streets
Nowhere is safe in Gaza. Yes some places are slightly safer than others but there's no guarantee you won't be killed in the south either.

Well no I think I'd go for the "I'd rather civilians weren't bombed" option. It's pretty easy to stop bombing children and hospitals.

It's a impossible choice for some
Not everyone has the option. The UN were saying they can barely even handle the refugee camps anymore. There are around 600 people using one toilet.
And the south is still being bombed. Many people totally miss that out.

I see what you are saying @SomeCatFromJapan but we also saw what happened when people were told to move south before this forcible removement. Many of them are no longer alive. They will become a moving target. Israel will have no compunction and will more than likely target them. For Israel this is a benefit as hey, less Palestinians and on they carry with their ethnic cleansing. It's horrific to see and we can't do anything to stop it.

Oh yes. Ethnic cleansing is marvellous.

You'd rather they stayed to be killed?