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Why is Israeli bombing refugee camps in Gaza?

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elephantblock · 31/10/2023 17:42

Dozens dead

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Oversteppingonasubject · 31/10/2023 20:26

LittleMsTellTheTruth · 31/10/2023 17:58

Because Israel wants genocide Palestinians.
I don’t mean to be disrespectful, but I’m suprised there is even one person left who hasn’t figured this out yet.
I get there are people who want and support this (MN is full of these people. For some strange reason) but surely you must have seen and heard by now how Israeli goverment has out loud said they want Palestinians gone?

So do people think the initial attack by Hamas was actually an Israeli false flag attack ?

Auvergne63 · 31/10/2023 20:25

eardefender · 31/10/2023 19:26

From Israel's POV they warned civilians to get out, the part of the camp they hit was being used as a military base. Hamas attack Israel, Israel go to war to eliminate hamas so they don't attack again. They hit targets. Hamas cover them with civilians. Hamas refuse to surrender and wont give back hostages.

It is so sad and awful but Israel is not breaking any laws here. You may not like or agree with the laws but Israel is not breaking any.

I actually really do blame Hamas for all of this. The rest of the blame lies in any policies that allowed hamas to become so embedded in Gaza that to root them out now means killing thousands of civilians.

I think you need to inform the UN that Israel is acting within the laws. They seem to disagree with you as are many, many lawyers. human right organisations and the list goes on.

bellac11 · 31/10/2023 20:23

Icefoot · 31/10/2023 20:10

Tiny children including babies are supporting the terrorists action?

Dont try and start an argument with me to try to get arsey

Clearly not, it goes without saying Im obviously not talking about tiny children or babies so your point is moot.

Children as young as pre teen are often used and often have developed beliefs which will lead them to get involved.

Do you think someone just gets to 18 and suddenly decides to go down to the Hamas recruiting office out of the blue?

Parkingt111 · 31/10/2023 20:23

Please do not conflate Israeli citizens with its government
Likewise with Jewish people and the Israeli government

The Government is to blame in this
There are many civilians who are also against the murder of innocent people in Gaza

Why is Israeli bombing refugee camps in Gaza?
Horrificallyuntidy · 31/10/2023 20:23

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1dayatatime · 31/10/2023 19:58

@Parkingt111

"Do you know that the trucks can only go through after Israel has checked them and give the go ahead
Hence why so little has gone through because Israel is now allowing "

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Please think this through.

The trucks are coming through via the Rafah crossing point in Egypt. The Israelis have zero presence in Rafah it's the Gaza / Egypt border point.

It is the Egyptians checking the trucks to make sure no weapons are being smuggled in or out as they have consistently been doing since 2012 (after terrorists based in Gaza attacked Egyptians in Northern Sinai.)

That's not true, Israelis were on the ground with the UN checking the trucks. They have full control of the Raffah crossing, if Egypt doesn't play ball they will bomb it.

Auvergne63 · 31/10/2023 20:19

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ismu · 31/10/2023 20:18

Netanyahu obviously doesn't care about the hostages. The offer of ceasefire and hostage exchange was made days ago. The ceasefire is consistently refused as "Hamas will use it as an excuse to rearm". It's fine for Israel to rearm though and drop bombs on hostages and civilian targets.
This has gone beyond revenge and self defence. It needs to stop now. Why can't UN peacekeepers go in to Gaza to prevent Hamas from attacking? We used to do that. Now we seem to be happy with children dying.

Parkingt111 · 31/10/2023 20:18

More and more people speaking up
Bolivia breaks ties with Israel

Why is Israeli bombing refugee camps in Gaza?
flufferknutter · 31/10/2023 20:15

Icefoot · 31/10/2023 20:10

Tiny children including babies are supporting the terrorists action?

And don't forget the women, who apparently have no power, autonomy or say in their lives if they live under Islamic rule - according to the islamophobic genocide apologists that is.

C'mon, which is it then? Helpless subjugated women or evil female Hamas members who have trained their toddlers to kill Israeli forces by throwing grenades wrapped in nappies? 🙄 ffs

Auvergne63 · 31/10/2023 20:14

PurpleChrayne · 31/10/2023 19:07

Hamas want us dead. What are we supposed to do?

The rest of the Western world is next. Britain, America. Islamic Jihad/Hamas want us all dead.

You need to get a grip on reality. That or see a GP for your paranoia. There are no excuses in the world for was is happening right now. Is it ok for a Palestinian father to carry the remains of his children in a plastic bag, for a baby to be born of a dead mother, for a little girl bloodied and shaking in terror, for people to listen to the screams of other under rubble and to be powerless to help? The Israeli government are creating now the terrorists of tomorrow.

Motorina · 31/10/2023 20:12

Desertrose2023 · 31/10/2023 19:01

The BBC reported that Qatar was in the end stages of brokering a deal for their release and then Israel launched the ground invasion.

wake up - Netanyahu doesn’t care about the hostages.

Post from 11:23 today on the BBC live stream:

In the last few days I’ve spoken to sources in Qatar who are working on negotiations between Israel and Hamas. They said they had been close to a deal on hostages being held in Gaza.One contact said to me they had done all the hard stuff. They were dotting I’s and crossing T’s when Israel started the ground invasion.

Israel’s position is even though there are 240 hostages, they don’t want to give Hamas any sort of impunity or type of reward for what they’ve done.
^^
We’ve heard from Israeli government spokespeople who say force and strength is the only way to get Hamas to release the hostages.

My working assumption at this point is that Netanyahu does not want the hostages released as doing so would weaken justification for the ongoing conflict. That's the only explanation I have for the invasion being launched then, just as, if the BBC report is correct, a deal on the hostages was almost there.

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Tiny children including babies are supporting the terrorists action?

EasterIssland · 31/10/2023 20:08

1dayatatime · 31/10/2023 19:58

@Parkingt111

"Do you know that the trucks can only go through after Israel has checked them and give the go ahead
Hence why so little has gone through because Israel is now allowing "

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Please think this through.

The trucks are coming through via the Rafah crossing point in Egypt. The Israelis have zero presence in Rafah it's the Gaza / Egypt border point.

It is the Egyptians checking the trucks to make sure no weapons are being smuggled in or out as they have consistently been doing since 2012 (after terrorists based in Gaza attacked Egyptians in Northern Sinai.)

Egypt's Foreign Ministry said on Saturday "Israeli obstacles" including truck inspection procedures were impeding the prompt delivery of aid to the Gaza Strip through the Rafah crossing between Egypt and the Palestinian enclave.
"The trucks must be inspected at the Israeli Nitzana crossing before they head to the Rafah crossing on a journey that takes a distance of 100 km (62 miles) before they actually enter the Rafah crossing, which causes obstacles that significantly delay the arrival of aid," a ministry spokesperson said in a statement.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/egypt-says-israeli-obstacles-impeding-aid-delivery-gaza-2023-10-28/

Palestinians, who fled their houses amid Israeli strikes, take shelter at a tent camp at a United Nations-run centre, after Israel's call for more than 1 million civilians in northern Gaza to move south, in Khan Younis in the southern Gaza Strip, Octob...

Egypt says 'Israeli obstacles' impeding aid delivery to Gaza

Egypt's Foreign Ministry said on Saturday "Israeli obstacles" including truck inspection procedures were impeding the prompt delivery of aid to the Gaza Strip through the Rafah crossing between Egypt and the Palestinian enclave.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/egypt-says-israeli-obstacles-impeding-aid-delivery-gaza-2023-10-28/

bellac11 · 31/10/2023 20:08

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Desertrose2023 · 31/10/2023 20:07

PurpleChrayne · 31/10/2023 19:07

Hamas want us dead. What are we supposed to do?

The rest of the Western world is next. Britain, America. Islamic Jihad/Hamas want us all dead.

it’s this type of insular thinking that’s got us where we are today.

Palestinians don’t hate Jews. Palestinians hate Israel because it is oppressing them. Unfortunately, a significant proportion of people who support Israel and its oppression of Palestinians are also Jews. Some are not. what drives the hatred isn’t religion. It’s the acts of the Israeli state in the name of a Jewish homeland which comes at the expense and misery of other people.

there are plenty of brave Religious and secular Jews who are protesting for Palestinian rights. They are much admired and respected amongst the Palestinian and wider Arab communities, both Muslim and Christian.

Palestinians should not conflate all Jews with supporting Israel in the same way that Israelis or Jews should not conflate all Palestinians with terrorists or Hamas. As much as people want to pit this as a religious conflict to suit their agendas, it’s really not.

Parkingt111 · 31/10/2023 20:04

1dayatatime · 31/10/2023 19:58

@Parkingt111

"Do you know that the trucks can only go through after Israel has checked them and give the go ahead
Hence why so little has gone through because Israel is now allowing "

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Please think this through.

The trucks are coming through via the Rafah crossing point in Egypt. The Israelis have zero presence in Rafah it's the Gaza / Egypt border point.

It is the Egyptians checking the trucks to make sure no weapons are being smuggled in or out as they have consistently been doing since 2012 (after terrorists based in Gaza attacked Egyptians in Northern Sinai.)

Please please do some fact checking before posting up things like that
You will find this information widely available
It is Israel that has been holding up the aid coming in
Why do you think they announced after todays bombing that they will allow more aid in if it was nothing to do with them

Why is Israeli bombing refugee camps in Gaza?
1dayatatime · 31/10/2023 20:04

@Desertrose2023

"Oh I’m so sorry, I didn’t realize it was the law according to @eardefender that Israel hasn’t broken. That’s alright then, I thought it was real law you were talking about.

and good to know you think humanity shouldn’t have moved on since the Greek invasion of Troy. Excellent."

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Look you asked for an explanation and I gave you a factual response, so why the anger?

I simply gave the bombing of Germany in WW2 and the siege of Troy as examples. However if you believe that humanity has indeed moved on in warfare then please feel free to provide a more modern example of a conflict that has not involved a degree of collective punishment?

user701 · 31/10/2023 20:03

If Israel really only wanted to get to Hamas it would allow women and children over the border into Israel.

flufferknutter · 31/10/2023 19:59

Parkingt111 · 31/10/2023 18:31

And I'm sure there will be many who blindly nod and sigh with oh well what could they have done
Hamas was hiding there you see
What other choice did they have

First it was tedious
Then it was embarrassing
After that it was delusional
Now, it's just plain sick......

They're blatantly lying if they defend it now. Israel are no longer hiding what they're doing, emboldened by the apathy and inaction from the rest of the world.

I never thought I'd see this in my lifetime. Not this. It's an utter nightmare.

Parkingt111 · 31/10/2023 19:58

This is state sanctioned terrorism

Why is Israeli bombing refugee camps in Gaza?
1dayatatime · 31/10/2023 19:58

@Parkingt111

"Do you know that the trucks can only go through after Israel has checked them and give the go ahead
Hence why so little has gone through because Israel is now allowing "

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Please think this through.

The trucks are coming through via the Rafah crossing point in Egypt. The Israelis have zero presence in Rafah it's the Gaza / Egypt border point.

It is the Egyptians checking the trucks to make sure no weapons are being smuggled in or out as they have consistently been doing since 2012 (after terrorists based in Gaza attacked Egyptians in Northern Sinai.)

Parkingt111 · 31/10/2023 19:56

ISRAELI AGGRESSION

Why is Israeli bombing refugee camps in Gaza?
EasterIssland · 31/10/2023 19:56

Rosiem2808 · 31/10/2023 19:50

i@cewoman

Its horrific, but lets wait until the details are verified before we start chucking around blame - remember the hospital, Isreal was blamed, it turned out to be a missile from within gaza

No it was Benjamin Netanyahu who made that claim. The same guy who is bombing innocents every night while you sleep

@icewoman take this was a lost rocket as well

https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1719026403088175593

https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1719026403088175593

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