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Why is Israeli bombing refugee camps in Gaza?

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elephantblock · 31/10/2023 17:42

Dozens dead

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1dayatatime · 31/10/2023 23:09

Parkingt111 · 31/10/2023 22:55

@1dayatatime did you see the link I sent you? About how Israel does in fact control what aid can come into Gaza through the Rafah border

I read that link. Whilst I don't dispute what the Egyptians are saying, it doesn't however make any sense at all.

So we have an aid truck in Egypt that then drives into Israel to be checked for smuggled weapons, it then drives back into Egypt and from there it drives on to Gaza.

Why don't the Egyptians just say no?

Right now the last thing the Israelis want to do is piss off Egypt anymore than it has already done.

Egypt is also losing a lot of tourist income especially after Houthi drones/ missiles hit two Egyptian Red Sea tourist towns and wants this current conflict to end as soon as possible:

www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/explosion-heard-egyptian-red-sea-town-near-israeli-border-witness-2023-10-27/

RubyRubyRubyRubay · 31/10/2023 23:08

It gets worse:

'' Israeli intelligence ministry proposes relocating millions of Palestinians from Gaza to Egypt. A leaked Israeli intelligence ministry document proposes relocating the population of the Gaza Strip to Egypt’s Sinai Peninsula.
The document, dated 13 October, suggests that Israel might initially relocate the population of the Gaza Strip to tent cities, followed later by the establishment of permanent communities in northern Sinai, Haaretz reported ''

Israeli intel ministry suggests relocating Gazans to Sinai after Hamas war

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https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-30/ty-article/.premium/israeli-govt-document-suggests-possible-relocation-of-gazans-to-northern-sinai/0000018b-7ff6-d1da-a1bb-7ffe83ed0000

1dayatatime · 31/10/2023 22:56

@CatsArePawesome

"I’m just going to leave this here…

New discoveries in Area C of the West Bank and off the Gaza Strip:
Natural gas worth $453 billion
1.7 billion barrels of oil "

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You post this as if if it is something new. Gas deposits off Gaza have been known about since 2000, however the problem was previously that Israel (unreasonably) wanted the gas to land in Israel and buy it at 10% below market prices. Understandably the Palestinian Authorities said no way. Shell was developing it but pulled out in 2018.

However things seemed to have progressed in 2022 with Egypt taking part in the development :

www.reuters.com/business/energy/egypt-is-set-take-part-developing-gazas-offshore-gas-field-officials-2022-10-12/

Parkingt111 · 31/10/2023 22:55

@1dayatatime did you see the link I sent you? About how Israel does in fact control what aid can come into Gaza through the Rafah border

Parkingt111 · 31/10/2023 22:54

How awfully awfully sad
I struggled immensely with the grief of losing mu grandfather
I cannot imagine the pain of losing 18 members of your family in one day

Why is Israeli bombing refugee camps in Gaza?
1dayatatime · 31/10/2023 22:42

@Oversteppingonasubject

"So do people think the initial attack by Hamas was actually an Israeli false flag attack ?"

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Ah I see we have finally moved on from whataboutery to batshit conspiracy theories.

This thread is so predictable.

MissyB1 · 31/10/2023 22:19

crumblingschools · 31/10/2023 22:16

Just watching the BBC News that poor man who has lost all his children 😢

I just watched it too, he was on duty in the hospital when it happened 😞

MyrtleHope · 31/10/2023 22:19

No it didn’t, it’s still disputed.

crumblingschools · 31/10/2023 22:16

Just watching the BBC News that poor man who has lost all his children 😢

WhereAreWeNow · 31/10/2023 22:09

It's horrific what's happening. It's genocide. A ceasefire is urgently needed.

starfleet · 31/10/2023 22:09

@CatsArePawesome I posted something very similar on another thread earlier today. The US and Isreal have a definite plan for Gaza. It is so sinister. They know there are large gas and oil reserves. The people of Gaza didn't ( I assume?) have the financial resources to mine. Imagine if they could - it's worth $trillions. Isreal currently have no access to it so by wiping out Gaza???

cakeorwine · 31/10/2023 22:04

Zygoma · 31/10/2023 21:59

I read an article in the Times of Israel about this where they spoke of the successful bombing of an ‘Hamas stronghold’. And sorrow for the two IDF soldiers who were killed. They did not mention the refugee camp once that I could see. War is all about propaganda.

This is the Jerusalem Post

IDF takes command of Hamas military stronghold in west Jabalya in Gaza - Israel News - The Jerusalem Post (jpost.com)

If you read to the end, you will see mention of 50 people being killed by the Israeli bomb.

IDF takes command of Hamas military stronghold in west Jabalya in Gaza

The IDF also killed 50 Hamas terrorists in the Jabalya area of the Gaza Strip.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-771045

Parkingt111 · 31/10/2023 21:59

Seven to eight missiles on a REFUGEE CAMP
I still can't fathom how people are trying to justify it

Why is Israeli bombing refugee camps in Gaza?
Zygoma · 31/10/2023 21:59

I read an article in the Times of Israel about this where they spoke of the successful bombing of an ‘Hamas stronghold’. And sorrow for the two IDF soldiers who were killed. They did not mention the refugee camp once that I could see. War is all about propaganda.

starfleet · 31/10/2023 21:56

@bellac11 interesting re the child soldiers. I haven't got the link but there was a recent article about 90% of the mujhadeen (Lebanon/Yemen/Syria) being orphans - a lot of them originally from Palestine having lost all of their family members when they were very young.

It's a fucking tragic situation. I don't know what the answer is. Isreal are going to keep bombing and killing, Hamas will retaliate. Many many more innocent people will die and so it goes. A never ending circle of shit. I hate it.

gratedbluecheese · 31/10/2023 21:53

CEASEFIRE NOW!

bellac11 · 31/10/2023 21:49

Not surprising at all

Itisyourturntowashthebath · 31/10/2023 21:49

Similar story in the Golan Heights
https://english.aawsat.com/home/article/1676021/israel%E2%80%99s-never-ending-search-oil-occupied-golan-heights

CatsArePawesome · 31/10/2023 21:44

I’m just going to leave this here…

New discoveries in Area C of the West Bank and off the Gaza Strip:
Natural gas worth $453 billion
1.7 billion barrels of oil

unctad.org/news/unrealized-potential-palestinian-oil-and-gas-reserves#:~:text=New%20discoveries%20of%20natural%20gas,Oil%20and%20Natural%20Gas%20Potential.%E2%80%9D

unctad.org/publication/economic-costs-israeli-occupation-palestinian-people-unrealized-oil-and-natural-gas

Parkingt111 · 31/10/2023 21:25

Doctors without Borders are doing amazing work in Gaza
They too have put out a statement after being horrified by the attack
'The latest episode of senseless violence'

Why is Israeli bombing refugee camps in Gaza?
Roste · 31/10/2023 21:14

With a government bombing refugee camps it’s not surprising some civilians will feel it’s an open house to do whatever they want. Palestinians in the West Bank don’t stand a chance and I expect already sense their days are marked once the ethnic cleansing in Gaza has been completed.

EasterIssland · 31/10/2023 21:10

icewoman · 31/10/2023 17:44

Its horrific, but lets wait until the details are verified before we start chucking around blame - remember the hospital, Isreal was blamed, it turned out to be a missile from within gaza

Details have been confirmed @icewoman tho guess we will have to wait until they realise they’ve cocked it up one more time , they remove the post and they create new fake information blaming Hamas on this one

Why is Israeli bombing refugee camps in Gaza?
Zygoma · 31/10/2023 21:10

ssd · 31/10/2023 21:00

I seem it. And i found the youngish Israeli couple absolutely chilling. They said no one is innocent in Gaza, not even the children. As for the Israeli official, omg. Hard as stone.

I didn’t see this. But my Israeli colleague last week said, ‘the Israelis in the W Bank are nutters’. I didn’t ask him what he meant as he was distressed about his brother going to work in security on the border there and I was trying to be supportive. Maybe he meant this kind of attitude.

gratedbluecheese · 31/10/2023 21:02

@MissyB1 and sadly this is a regular occurrence in the West Bank going back years and years not just the last few days.

ssd · 31/10/2023 21:00

MissyB1 · 31/10/2023 18:46

Did anyone watch the channel 4 news from the West Bank last night? They were reporting on the Palestinians being kicked out of their houses, one family were told they had 24 hours to leave then they would be shot! It was heartbreaking.

I seem it. And i found the youngish Israeli couple absolutely chilling. They said no one is innocent in Gaza, not even the children. As for the Israeli official, omg. Hard as stone.