Why is Israeli bombing refugee camps in Gaza?

Even in times of ‘peace’, Israel has continued to murder innocent Palestinians. See the incidents with settlers on the West Bank, for instance. The Israeli government just shrugs its shoulders. Obama has called them out on this recently.

There can be no lasting peace when one side intrinsically considers the others nothing but “animals” to be slaughtered and removed.

Because they are terrorists?

And ideology etc

See also Isis, IRA etc

Peace process and lasting peace comes through dialogue

yes it's so obvious with the circular war-crime denying posts we see on so many of these threads, derailing the original point with propaganda and refusing to recognise or condemn war crimes. total gaslighting. And I see the same posters over and over again on every thread expressing concern for the plight of Palestinians. And it's so casually done as well, never addressing the original point.

It has been well known for years that many countries, Israel included, pay people to post on social media to sway opinion.
China has the "50 cent party"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-23695896

MN, Reddit, Daily Mail comments section.... nowhere is immune to it. Online propaganda is a fact of modern life. Some of these accounts will have been around for many years, they will also post mundane content, they are not identifiable. Imagine Moneypenny and her posts on the relationships board.

She’s on a par with people in these threads calling Israel “civilised” and the Palestinians just barbarians.

Civilisation and democracy to them looks like sitting drinking cocktails on a beach while ignoring the Palestinian kids getting shot on theirs.
https://www.channel4.com/news/israel-strike-kills-four-boys-on-gaza-beach-video

Melanie Phillips vocally supports Suella Braverman’s attack on migrants and multiculturalism in the UK. She blamed the NHS for causing the Lucy Letby murders by being too ‘feminist’. You can see where she stands politically and morally.

To say she’s being disingenuous regarding Palestine and Israel is generous. Her rationale is she wants to cut all international humanitarian aid to Palestine by branding every Palestinian a “terrorist”.

The UK is one of Israel’s biggest allies and sells them millions of pounds’ worth of arms every year. They’re made at Elbit Systems. There are protests happening outside Elbit’s UK sites (Kent, Bristol, headquarters in London). It’s made the news.

We don’t sell any arms to Palestine.

heartbreaking, I am so sad for him and his family.

Melanie Phillips has always been an unpleasant racist, regarding Palestine and its people. Some of the things she's written in the Mail, over the years, would have had her in prison, if she'd said it about Africans, for example.

My son in law is Palestinian and grew up in Jordan; his parents were refugees from the West Bank. He is probably the most honourable and decent man I've ever met and my heart breaks for him at the moment. He has many relatives in Gaza, as well as the Wear Bank, and is getting increasingly worried about the war spreading and his mother's safety in Amman. He said that there was a growing feeling that a major incident was likely to happen which was the reason he and my daughter moved to Turkey last year. He also wanted to get away from the severe racism that he had always experienced as a Palestinian in Jordan and mistakenly thought that would be better in Istanbul. Palestinians seem to experience as much discrimination as any other group, if not more.

Melanie Phillips has just been on the radio saying that the west needs to stop funding and supporting Palestine. Nobody asked for any clarification from her.

Biden and Sunak physically went to Israel to offer support and they continue to do so.

Phillips is a hugely informed person and I know almost nothing about this conflict so I can't assume she's chatting shit. But is she?

I'm not a bot or a phoney wide eyed 'help me understand' type. I'm a long standing poster and a very ordinary middle aged woman with no religious affiliation at all.

Does the west fund and support Palestine in it's military aims against Israel?

I deplore the actions of Hamas but the continuous war crimes and collective punishment by Israel against 2.2m people are not justified even though the deplorable festival incident happened.

I'm siding with the UN, Amnesty, Human Rights Watch here. And I do not accept your smears against them.

The Hamas attacks were atrocious. But as has been stated by the UN, the attacks “did not happen in a vacuum…The Palestinian people have been subjected to 56 years of suffocating occupation.”

If I saw first-hand my friends, generations of relatives and brethren be murdered, exiled and oppressed by Israel for decades I’d be pretty angry too.

Distance, denigrating and othering of Palestinians is key here, to paint them as barbarians. I doubt many on this thread have ever even met a Palestinian, though they would have met Israelis.

It's devastating
This is a woman who sits by some of the bodies who were murdered in the camp yesterday
They mostly can't even do individual funerals anymore

They are all buried in a mass grave

https://www.statista.com/chart/16516/israeli-palestinian-casualties-by-in-gaza-and-the-west-bank/

Let's take a moment to remember the death and injury statistics from 2008 - 2020.

How anyone can watch this and not condemn what Israel is doing is beyond me. To see people try to justify it beggars belief. It makes me question humanity.

What Hamas did on 7/10 was utterly horrific and inexcusable. It does not condone the sustained attack on Palestinian civilians for nearly a month. That is also horrific and inexcusable but it is ongoing. Israel needs to stop.

Not stop defending itself when necessary, but that isn't what it is doing anymore. But stop the collective punishment of Palestinian people.

Why did Hamas storm and murder people at a concert?

touché and spot on.

Because these threads neither inform or debate on facts.

It's purely a conviction based rant of "I'm right - No I'm right"
"Well your facts are fake- No your facts are fake"
"Well we can't believe anything [whichever side] says"
Well what about- well what about to your what about"

And so it goes on...

It's a bit misleading to call it a refugee camp. It's a town people have lived in for decades and they were told to evacuate three weeks ago, in the vague hopes anyone is interested in facts.

I'm Interested in facts. How we're they told? Were they given anywhere to go or the means to get there? A way to earn a living or feed their families when they got there?

Try telling the UN, because that is what they are calling it. Yes, it's absolutely tragic that years later they are still refugees, displaced from their actual homes.

I thought Israel's special forces were the best in the world? Surely there's a better way to destroy underground tunnels than flattening whole populations? Hamas are presumably suspected of using tunnels to protect themselves from attacks from above, afterall.

Curious to know what communication methods were used for this message to evacuate, when Israel has cut off communications and electricity?

Also how exactly people in the camp were supposed to evacuate, when fuel has also been cut off?

And where exactly they were supposed to go?

Fuckjng hell this thread is doing my fucking head in.

@1dayatatime @RubyRubyRubyRubay The idea of "transfering" Palestinians to Egypt has been talked about in Israeli circles for a long time. Egypt is not a world powerhouse. If Israel and the US want to do it, they will find a way. Pure evil. And the Israeli propaganda machine will continue.