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Why is Israeli bombing refugee camps in Gaza?

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elephantblock · 31/10/2023 17:42

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Parkingt111 · 01/11/2023 12:57

Viviennemary · 01/11/2023 12:56

The rules don't apply to Hamas, They can do what they like. Only one side needs to abide by the 'rules'.

If the side wants to continue being seen as a 'democracy' as opposed to a terrorist organisation then yes it does

Viviennemary · 01/11/2023 12:56

eardefender · 01/11/2023 12:35

What, out of interest, do you think Hamas should do?

The rules don't apply to Hamas, They can do what they like. Only one side needs to abide by the 'rules'.

gratedbluecheese · 01/11/2023 12:50

eardefender · 01/11/2023 12:44

Hamas keep talking but no one believes them or listens to them. Its like they are dancing around going 'hey guys over here we are totally evil please notice us'. Meanwhile the world just attends to Israel. It baffling.

Seriously Is it racism from the west, that we expect higher standards from jews/Israelis and we simply and at the heart of it view the Palestinian/Arabs as less capable of reason, intellect and just inherently more violent.

I find it very telling that there is barely a mention of Hamas being part of the decision making process in any way.

Do you condemn war crimes?

Icefoot · 01/11/2023 12:48

Icefoot · 01/11/2023 08:30

It's a bit misleading to call it a refugee camp. It's a town people have lived in for decades and they were told to evacuate three weeks ago, in the vague hopes anyone is interested in facts.

I'm Interested in facts. How we're they told? Were they given anywhere to go or the means to get there? A way to earn a living or feed their families when they got there?

No answers from any of the many who feel the attacks are justified because people were told to move?

eardefender · 01/11/2023 12:44

lavender2023 · 01/11/2023 11:59

Hamas just said they don't want a ceasefire. They want to repeat October 7 and kill and rape and behead every Israeli. I was supportive of a humanitarian pause but I don't really think that is viable now.

If someone said they wanted to rape, kill, behead every Briton, I would be very angry at our government if they decided to stop attacking those nutters.

Hamas keep talking but no one believes them or listens to them. Its like they are dancing around going 'hey guys over here we are totally evil please notice us'. Meanwhile the world just attends to Israel. It baffling.

Seriously Is it racism from the west, that we expect higher standards from jews/Israelis and we simply and at the heart of it view the Palestinian/Arabs as less capable of reason, intellect and just inherently more violent.

I find it very telling that there is barely a mention of Hamas being part of the decision making process in any way.

gratedbluecheese · 01/11/2023 12:38

eardefender · 01/11/2023 12:35

What, out of interest, do you think Hamas should do?

Straightforward question, do you condemn war crimes?

2boys1princess · 01/11/2023 12:37

I wouldn’t know what Hamas look like.
All i know is that just by announcing in advance that you’re going to bomb crucial areas (that are much needed at this time like hospitals and shelters), doesn’t make it alright. The children and injured in hospitals as well as the medical staff can’t just up and leave can they. It’s actually worse telling them in advance knowing very well that bombs and rockets are coming, but they have no where to go. The only reason they announced it was to try to justify mass murder as usual. It definitely wasn’t in the best interest for the Palestinian civilians with no where to escape to.

eardefender · 01/11/2023 12:35

Growlybear83 · 31/10/2023 20:50

I think israel should be told to stop their genocide, withdraw from Gaza immediately, and abide by the many UN resolutions that they have ignored for years.

What, out of interest, do you think Hamas should do?

SinnerBoy · 01/11/2023 12:31

Cue: But the BBC's run by Nazis! rubbish.

Someone had better tell Laura Keunssberg, cos she hasn't noticed.

Viviennemary · 01/11/2023 12:31

Because there are terrorists hiding there. Let's not forget what started all this.

SinnerBoy · 01/11/2023 12:28

2boys1princess · Today 12:00

They just hide behind “Hamas were hiding there and not our fault they used the innocent Palestinian civilians as human shields” narrative.

They told the world what they were going to do, before they'd fired the first artillery shell. They said that they would bomb hospitals and shelters and justified it in advance.

In all the pictures and footage of dead and injured, none of those helping are Hamas fighters, are they?

2boys1princess · 01/11/2023 12:28

Many terrorist attacks have happened here in the U.K. from the gunpowder plot to the attacks in London and the Manchester arena. Did the government go and bomb all of us in the hope of finding the perpetrators? Did it kill your children and elderly family members? Cut off your food, electricity, water and destroy your local hospitals.
the attacks on the Palestinian people are nothing but a mass genocide. They aren’t the ones committing terrorist attacked on the innocent Israeli civilians.
Just like you and I and our families have human rights, the Palestinian people should also have human rights. Is it that hard to understand

SinnerBoy · 01/11/2023 12:25

Memri is a fanatical anti-Palestinian and ant-Muslim site, dedicated to "correcting" reports about Israel. Their raison detre is propaganda, lies and forged reports.

ketchup07070 · 01/11/2023 12:24

@2boys1princess Thank you so much for seeing and caring for the people of Gaza. I would say that, though there is no official army, there are Hamas and that there have been 13 Israeli soldiers killed now. The loss of those young lives grieves me as much as the loss of young Gazans. It's all rich, older men and women, well fed, in expensive suits sending the young to their deaths.

lavender2023 · 01/11/2023 12:23

EasterIssland · 01/11/2023 12:02

Can I have a link ? Keen to read more about this please. Thanks!

https://twitter.com/MEMRIReports/status/1719662664090075199

https://twitter.com/MEMRIReports/status/1719662664090075199

2boys1princess · 01/11/2023 12:20

lavender2023 · 01/11/2023 11:59

Hamas just said they don't want a ceasefire. They want to repeat October 7 and kill and rape and behead every Israeli. I was supportive of a humanitarian pause but I don't really think that is viable now.

If someone said they wanted to rape, kill, behead every Briton, I would be very angry at our government if they decided to stop attacking those nutters.

And this is the kind of bullshit that I mentioned no one believes anymore. People can say this over and over again, no one believe it anymore. As there is simply no evidence. The only evidence out there is that Israeli army are killing children in the thousands and each time they use the excuse: Hamas was hiding there. Hamas this, Hamas that. All bullshit. They have special forces, they can at least attempt to go in and take out the Hamas members without killing innocent civilians.
you said in your post that if a group of people did that here, you would be angry at government if they didn’t stop going after them. Would you be willing to have your family and friends and homes destroyed in the process? Our government wouldn’t even think about bombing a whole civilian area, hospitals, shelters, schools because that’s genocide.

2boys1princess · 01/11/2023 12:11

Yes, I think a lot of us have been absolutely amazed at their resilience, faith and courage. A lot of people world wide have nothing but admiration for the Palestinian people, whereas before were totally oblivious or ignorant. I feel ashamed I was one of them.
The tens of thousands of people (from all walks of life) protesting here and across the globe are proof of how people have stopped believing the propaganda and lies coming from Israel and the politicians in countries like the US and U.K.
people have chosen to be on the right side of history and no longer believe their lies. We can’t do much, but we can certainly speak the truth which is blatantly obvious to everyone now. Israel is killing children and women and the elderly. The war is disproportionate, they are murdering children with bombs and weapons and all they have are stones and sticks to defend themselves. They tell them to evacuate areas and go to refugee camps/shelters and within hours they bomb them. This has happened so many times in the last few days. They tell them to leave and then as they are doing so, they murder them.
I still cannot believe a whole army in Israel is destroying a nation who have no army, weapons and are literally all kids. What a brave army the Israelis have!

TakeMe2Insanity · 01/11/2023 12:02

EasterIssland · 31/10/2023 19:49

I’ve also read that people are just fed up of moving. They’ve lost everything so they refuse to move to a new place because they know they’ll be In danger as well. Not only that international organisation are condemning this behaviour of moving them somewhere else and taking them out of hospitals. You can continue saying your chant of “Hamas has told them not to do xyz” the reality is that this people don’t want to move and don’t have the ways to move to any new place that Israel says and .. at the same time it’s not safe

In support of @EasterIssland comment, people are tired remember they’ve been having reduced food and liquid for 3 weeks now. The roads are impassable so moving again means walking for hours and they just don’t have the energy.

For the “but Hamas” screamers look at the instagram accounts of people on the ground in Gaza they’ve all lost weight, they all look exhausted, their eyes look gaunt.

I watched a story yesterday of a woman who’d just given birth to twins 10 days ago and they were asking how she was re their birth. Her response should resonate with every mother here, they had to get up and go she couldn’t take the baby stuff they had ordered, they couldn’t take their other things etc they just had to leave their home and then it was bombed. So they got out with the clothes on their back and their children.

EasterIssland · 01/11/2023 12:02

lavender2023 · 01/11/2023 11:59

Hamas just said they don't want a ceasefire. They want to repeat October 7 and kill and rape and behead every Israeli. I was supportive of a humanitarian pause but I don't really think that is viable now.

If someone said they wanted to rape, kill, behead every Briton, I would be very angry at our government if they decided to stop attacking those nutters.

Can I have a link ? Keen to read more about this please. Thanks!

2boys1princess · 01/11/2023 12:00

Yes exactly this it seems. They just hide behind “Hamas were hiding there and not our fault they used the innocent Palestinian civilians as human shields” narrative. The world knows it’s bullshit now, but what can anyone do?
If Hamas was hiding in a densely populated Israeli territory with innocent Israeli civilians, they would use special operations to dig them out, not flatten the whole place.
It’s becoming more and more clear that Palestinians are just not seen as worthy humans with any rights and that murdering them in the hundreds and thousands is ok as long as a handful of Hamas members are killed.

ketchup07070 · 01/11/2023 12:00

Palestinians seem like the bravest people on earth to me, for al the reasons you state @Horrificallyuntidy They are also intelligent, cultured, compassionate and would probably share their last meal with you - such is their hospitality. I don't think the world cam allow these people to be wiped out.

EasterIssland · 01/11/2023 12:00

MorrisZapp · 01/11/2023 09:57

Melanie Phillips has just been on the radio saying that the west needs to stop funding and supporting Palestine. Nobody asked for any clarification from her.

Biden and Sunak physically went to Israel to offer support and they continue to do so.

Phillips is a hugely informed person and I know almost nothing about this conflict so I can't assume she's chatting shit. But is she?

I'm not a bot or a phoney wide eyed 'help me understand' type. I'm a long standing poster and a very ordinary middle aged woman with no religious affiliation at all.

Does the west fund and support Palestine in it's military aims against Israel?

According to Wikipedia she’s an Israel supporter and opponent of gay rights. Her opinion to me means nothing

lavender2023 · 01/11/2023 11:59

Hamas just said they don't want a ceasefire. They want to repeat October 7 and kill and rape and behead every Israeli. I was supportive of a humanitarian pause but I don't really think that is viable now.

If someone said they wanted to rape, kill, behead every Briton, I would be very angry at our government if they decided to stop attacking those nutters.

roarrfeckingroar · 01/11/2023 11:56

eardefender · 31/10/2023 18:11

Wait for confirmation. There is a propaganda war. Yesterday Israel reported having rescued a female IDF soldier. They also reported they found the head of Shani Louk who had been raped, paraded, spat on. This was after Hamas said she was in hospital with a head injury. This all made Hamas look awful (could they look any worse). When i saw this news it was with skepticism, hence the wait and see approach. This could easily be another stray Hamas missile.

Hamas are widely known to hide behind civilians and operate from hospitals, schools etc so this could have been a military target that Hamas sadly smother with civilians to protect it.

Hamas have also apparently been preventing civilians from leaving the northern strip after Israel repeatedly warned of air and land attacks and told them to go south 2 weeks ago. Hamas need those bodies to stay over the tunnels and around the military targets.

Whatever the truth is Hamas can end this now. They can surrender, hand over the hostages. Israel withdraws. Aid goes in. They can save their own people now, but they don't.

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